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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]40 yr PP here: Unless you know the facts about anyone else's reasons for needing IVF, pls do not comment on whether it is a miracle or not. This is not about comparing.

[b]But PP, you don't know about anyone's reasons for needing IVF  OR complementary therapy, yet it doesn't seem to stop you from commenting about other people's personal choices and labeling them as "mumbo jumbo."[/b]

I would say all babies conceived to those with fertility issues are miracles.

[b]Perhaps so. But statistically and generally speaking, getting pregnant at 40 versus 45 is a big difference. I think this is a no brainer but you seem intent on refuting this until you can win this argument. There's no argument here. All I'm saying is to incorporate other complementary therapies or give alternative therapies a try also. I didn't dis conventional medicine. But you totally dissed complementary therapies by calling them 'mumbo jumbo.' I take objection to that. [/b]

Ali Domar does not use complementary therapies.
She teaches relaxation, yoga and other self-help techniques. She actually reserves judgment on unproven therapies. The main effect of her program seems to be the group support as well as the self-empowerment.

[b]PP, all these, yoga, meditation, acupuncture, mind/body relaxation are considered COMPLEMENTARY and/or alternative therapies! Complementary means used in conjunction with conventional therapy, alternative means used in place of conventional therapy. I don't think you realize you recommended a resource that does indeed offer complementary therapy.[/b]

Obviously if any of the complementary therapies relax you and help you cope, then all good. To date the studies on acupuncture are inconclusive. I just think there are a lot of claims out there and as a vulnerable person facing an uncertain outcome, it is easy to get duped or feel you HAVE TO do this or that. I should declare here that I am a physician and have looked at a lot of the research.

[b]No, PP. The benefits of acupuncture for fertility are documented in a medical Journal article. It's not easy to get published in a journal article. It doesn't mean you or anyone else MUST do acupuncture but the purpose of medical journal articles is to separate the reputable claims or noteworthy claims from the possible hoaxes...and thereby, educate the patient more. [/b]

It may seem contradictory that stress does not affect success, and all I am saying is the research again is inconclusive. So don't beat yourself up for stressing. It is normal to be stressed about an uncertain outcome that matters so much, which seems to have a time limit attached. 
and distress is even more normal, by which I mean sadness, anger, guilt, anxiety. It can be like a bereavement at times.

[b]Again, PP, you're wrong on this one and contradicting yourself. You might confuse some women here. Stress does affect fertility for many women. Check this out:
http://www.conceivethepossibility.com/research.html
Also note that in this article which states stress does affect fertility, Ali Domar is quoted not once but a couple of times to support this assertion that you, here, are denying. 
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But my take on this is that distress (or not being able to relax) stops people from recovering from setbacks and keeping going. It is a subtle difference. Being in Ali's group helps keep you on track and keep the faith via the social support that is vital in any hard endeavour. It is especially good for those who have been TTC for 2+ years.

I wish you luck with your pregnancy.

To the lady asking about FSH: my FSH was always below 10 but my AMH was always very low, indicating a poor response to stimulated IVF, which was borne out because we always had few embryos each cycle. They told us 2 years ago  our overall chances were about 10-15% We also had other medical issues on both sides. Hope this helps.[/quote][/quote]

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