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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The fact that there are whackos in the GOP pushing for these things without the party condemning them is sickening. [/quote]
OP here. 412 delegates voted to decline granting exemptions for the life of the mother. This isn’t a few “whackos.”[/quote]

What piss poor representation for our daughters and sons.  Vote these poor quality representatives out.  We deserve much better.[/quote]
We need a national strike. Voting will come too late for too many. We have the power to close every hospital and school in this country, and shut down the entire economy. Money is the only thing these ghouls care about. [/quote]

Abortion numbers come down to this:

Men:  1/3 pro life; 1/3 pro choice; 1/3 really don't care -- probably want it to be legal and rare as the Clinton definition said back in the day -- but no interest in fighting for it and if the proposal is too left will not go for it.

Women:  1/3 pro life; 1/3 pro choice; 1/3 really don't care -- probably want it to be legal and rare as the Clinton definition said back in the day -- but no interest in fighting for it and if the proposal is too left will not go for it.

What that leaves us with is 2/3 of the country voicing support for abortion rights but also a different coalition of 2/3 country not really that interested in doing anything about it.  They will not vote on this issue solely.  The ones that will are firmly in the prof choice camp.

Could there be support for a law that codified Roe -- I think so but if anything else added to it  you lose those folks.

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I’m pro-choice and don’t see the need to expand Roe. Given the moving line on fetal viability, I’m fine with a 20 week ban.  I would compromise at 15-18 week if the below were included.  But I think in the wake of Casey and What we are seeing with denial of care in Roe being overturned, we need to codify that:

— abortions are a medical procedure. There should be no greater restrictions on abortions that are performed within the framework of Roe than their are for any other medical procedures of similar risk.  Unnecessary waiting periods, ultrasounds, warnings and counseling that are not supported by medical data according the appropriate medical governing body, hospital standard corridors, admitting privileges, must take the pill at the clinic, etc.  should not be allowed. If you can safely have a D&C at an OBs office or have a pregnancy confirmed and then be prescribed medication abortions at home, then that should be the standard of care.  Limits imposed primarily to make abortions difficult to access, such as get an ultrasound, be told your mental health is at risk, that you are more likely to get cancer and your your future fertility will be harmed; then have a 72 hour waiting period; then take a pill back at the clinic needs to stop.

— it needs to be clear that women should not be discriminated against in providing medication or medical care that could have the effect of abortion (like actress to methotrexate and drugs than can also be used to abort ectopic pregnancies).  Doctors and pharmacists cannot refuse to provide the recommended standard of care to a woman because she is of childbearing age.  Of course, doctors should be allowed to use their best judgement, in consultation with the mother, in prescribing medication during a pregnancy the woman intends to carry to term and should be allowed to decline to prescribe medications have been shown to be harmful to fetuses.

— I’m okay with parental notification for minors under 16, with access to a GAL and judicial bypass for minors who fear abuse.  At 16-17, I believe minors should be required to EITHER notify their parents or complete a followup appointments with a counselor to ensure their mental well-being and a Gyn to discuss whether birth control is appropriate.

— we need to preserve the doctor-patient relationship and protect doctors from fear of malicious prosecution.   There should be a rebuttable presumption that doctors acting outside the framework of Roe are acting to preserve the life or health of the mother.  In order to charge them with a crime, you need to be able to show an actual intention to violate the law.  Doctors should be free to treat women whose lives are in danger or whose babies have serious abnormalities without worrying about being charged with a crime— unless the doctor and patient are clearly using life and heath as a pretext for a late term abortion.  We must allow doctors to make the best decisions they can in emergencies and in grey areas without involving the hospital lawyer.

— “crisis pregnancy centers” should not be allowed to provide inaccurate medical information or to mislead women into believing they provide abortion services, when they do not.

You give me 15-20weeks and these protections codified, I’d call it a win. [/quote]

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