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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I would not put too much stock in Maintenance Phase.  They did an episode on a topic on which I am a subject matter expert and the research was completely shoddy.  They missed key publications.  Their product is a product designed to generate buzz and likes, like everything else.  Plus obviously she has an agenda to advance.  Researchers need to be neutral.[/quote]

So fat people haven’t been treated poorly by health care providers?
So fat people don’t suffer from eating disorders?
So it’s really just a matter of calories in/calories out, and if fat people just had some more self-control and will power, they could fix themselves.

Is that what you’re saying? Because those are the big agenda items of Maintenance Phase, and if they’re way off base, please enlighten us. [/quote]

I skimmed the article. Agree that fat people should not be treated poorly by their doctors.

However, everything that I’ve seen on this topic says that when obese people are put into controlled environments, and what they eat is strictly controlled to what is prescribed by their doctor, they do lose weight 99% of the time. Of course, that is not a realistic solution for these societal problems. However, pretending that the causes of obesity are a mystery is not helpful in thinking about solutions for this issue.[/quote]

So if obese people could just exercise some self-control, then all their problems would be solved. They should just eat fewer calories. There isn’t anything else that might be going on like maybe different physiological reactions in different people.

Thanks for proving the point of the article: SO MANY PEOPLE DON’T GET IT.

I suppose you also believe that alcoholics and drug abusers should just try harder to stop taking those substances. If others can limit their alcohol or drug use, then why can’t everyone else? Basically that’s what you’re saying. We know that when we put alcoholics and drug users in controlled environments, they don’t use. Right? There can’t be anything else going on. It’s not a mystery. [/quote]

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make, it sounds like we are saying the same thing. When addicts do not have the ability to get their drugs, they do not use. When obese individuals do not have the ability to procure excess unhealthy food, they will loose weight 99.9% of the time. Once people can acknowledge that this is the physical cause of obesity, they can work to address the emotional and societal underlying issues at play which prevent them from consuming a more optimal diet.[/quote]

NO. There’s something else going on. Read up on the success with Semaglutides such as Ozempic, Wegovy and Saxenda. They are drugs that are making people feel full faster, impacting how they think about food (stopping obsessive thinking) and impacting how carbs get metabolized. For the first time, people are able to lose weight and not feel like it’s a constant mental battle. There is a brain chemistry component here that needs to be acknowledged. [/quote]

It’s not brain chemistry. It is in the gut. Wegovy works on the digestive tract.

But I am hopeful that the advent of Wegovy will put the absurd and deeply harmful myth of “willpower” behind us. Patient stories on Wegovy are remarkably similar: it is, for the first time in their lives, easy to eat a healthy diet. They are not driven by the constant and relentless cravings they were before Wegovy. This should conclusively demonstrate (with more studies) that there is no moral component to weight gain. But I’m not really hopeful because the nasty fat shamers actually like their cruelty. They like being ignorant because they like the feeling of moral superiority they get. I’ve seen it on DCUM; these people are impervious to science and education. All they care about is clinging to their cruelty. [/quote]

Now we just need to get insurance companies on board. Many will cover an invasive surgery such as a gastric sleeve, but refuse to pay for a drug such as Wegovy. The cost out of pocket is literally over $1000 for a month. And, yes, I know that the pharmaceutical company is part of the problem as well. The bottom line is that for the first time there is something that has success with addressing this issue, and there are systemic roadblocks. [/quote]

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