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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't agree whatsoever with the anti-Ukrainian crowd, but I do think it's a grim reality that providing weapons could escalate the conflict and result in even more death.

No one is coming to rescue Ukraine. They are not able to join NATO right now, while under occupation.  So Ukraine is on its own and this is likely to result in Ukraine eventually coming to the table with some concessions. I don't believe it is best to hasten that process because I think that as long as Russia is tied up in Ukraine then they won't attack elsewhere. But it makes sense that some people believe we should try to get Ukraine to submit quickly.  Just understand, no one is coming to help them.

Second, there are Nazis in Ukraine.  It appears that the situation isn't as widespread or as deep as it is being portrayed. One of their military units has a white nationalist bent to it. Eventually Ukraine will need to answer for this, but now isn't the time. [/quote]

First, have you seen what Russians have done to civilians in captured cities?  They were tortured and murdered despite having no weapons.  Providing weapons to Ukraine is not going to escalate conflicts, it will save the people in the country from being wiped out.

Second, there are Nazis in the U.S., too.  Maybe you should answer for that first before you start demanding Ukraine answer for their issues.
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PP is absolutely correct, if we aren't going to get directly involved in this war then prolonging it will likely be more devastating for Ukraine than helpful.  People of fighting age aren't unlimited resources, neither are still habitable cities and villages where Ukrainians can survive and have access to shelter, food and amenities.  Same goes for Ukraine's food supplies and necessities, as you can imagine that farming and factory production of the occupied actively bombed country goes down.  Getting supplies to not only feed the army but all the remaining civilian population is much more difficult than getting supplies only for fighting army.  None of this is true for Russia, there is no war on their territory, their farms and factories aren't bombed or inoperable, they will keep getting supplies into Ukraine, they have more stamina to keep this going.  Even if their number of men of fighting age gets depleted with time, it will be less dramatic than for Ukraine.  These are just realities that some don't want to acknowledge, and they have no idea how we can help Ukraine win or what "winning" actually means in this war at this point.  Tell me where I am wrong.

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