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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Are you seriously asking why people on the right extending all the way to the center-left (aka almost everyone), are viscerally against giving others a list of stuff they didn't earn, even though there are good arguments against it?

Answering for myself (from the center-right), I'm in favor of most of the things you listed, but against student loan forgiveness. I get the feeling student loan forgiveness is what you're really asking about. I'm against it because taking out student loans was a gamble that was taken with full information and a path to success. People bet on themselves, sometimes that doesn't go smoothly, but they should keep trying, not get bailed out.[/quote]

Question:  As a country, we obviously need physicians, scientists, farmers…. whatever list seems reasonable to you.  Do you feel that the best way to get the best candidates for whatever jobs you view as essential is for 18 year olds to “bet on themselves” and while also prioritizing the options of potential students who have wealthier families?  I’m not so sure that assuming enormous debt and “gambling” is the best way to get the best students into these jobs.

I’m not arguing in favor of loan forgiveness— although I’d probably support it once I had the chance to read the fine print. I am thinking that kids with savvier and wealthier families may get “bailed out” in multiple ways, multiple times. People without those supports often don’t. And either way, I’m wondering what the best ways might be to ensure that we end up with the best brain surgeons and neonatologists.

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I’m OP and the only way student loans and college cost affect me is that we will strongly encourage our kids to look at higher education outside the United States. I don’t think education should ever be something the individual has to figure out how to finance and make a market analysis and risk calculation when they are 17/18. It also can’t be pushed onto the kids if their parents are not financially savvy. This makes it harder to have the class mobility Americans claim that they have, if parents aren’t a finance whizz, then the kid is at a disadvantage and that carries over.

I’m however more concerned about American work culture, especially hustle culture. There needs to be more emphasis on balance and life outside of work, and this shouldn’t make you poor. [/quote]

One of my DC's went overseas for college.  It was a fantastic experience and the whole degree cost less than $60K (including living expenses) from a very prestigious school.

The added benefit for Europe is that, having made the investment in US kid's college educations, [b]many of them will actually stay in Europe and pay taxes there.  [/b]

A loss for the US in many senses. [/quote]

Maybe, maybe not. Many Europeans leave their societies to get high-income jobs in the U.S. at the first chance they get. I highly doubt the American kids they are essentially giving free tertiary educations (especially in places like Germany and Hungary) are sticking around to build low-paying careers in foreign environments to boot. These universities mostly teach in English as well. That is very different from the European place environment.[/quote]

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