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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Test optional is a smokescreen to perpetuate admission discrimination and everyone knows it. Can’t wait for the Supreme Court to rule on these “holistic” policies. Low achievers love them [b]but I hope everyone who supports test optional chooses a degree optional doctor for their next major surgery[/b].[/quote]

In a world of dumb points, this one is way up there. Are you currently asking your doctor for a standardized test score they took when they were 16? And using that as a proxy for their medical talent? You deserve the results of all your bad decisions.[/quote]

I absolutely check where my prospective doctors went to undergrad, med school and residency.  I did this yesterday when looking for a rheumatologist, in fact.

They wouldn't get into Yale, Vanderbilt or Northwestern undergrad in the first place with a 21 ACT.  So do I know their exact SAT? No, but I know they did undergrad at a top school and reasonable conclusions can be drawn about their "standardized test score when they were 16":  it was high!

Do I know their MCAT? Still no -- but if that MCAT was shit, we can all agree that Stanford medical school wouldn't have selected them. And so on.

While we're on the topic, I also don't want the vision impaired pilot, the firefighter with no upper body strength who uses a cane, or the trial attorney with a profound speech apraxia.  [/quote]

Your point wasn't checking education but SAT/ACT scores - you realize that is what test optional is about, right? So in your context, if the school selects them, they should be good enough - what do you care what standard they use? U Chicago has been test optional since 2018, are you planning on eliminating all  U Chicago undergrads from consideration?

If you judge doctors on the undergrad, then you've probably already seen a doctor who had a lower SAT/ACT test score than you probably deem appropriate.  Plenty of students at Yale, Vanderbilt or Northwestern have always had mediocre scores but got in for legacy, athletics, donor, etc. You can't tell who they are now.

As for the other professions, are you checking where the pilot learned to fly? Or the quality of the training program for the firefighter? No, you aren't.

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Read. We can deduce with confidence that my current Harvard-Harvard-Stanford doctor didn’t have a 21 ACT in 1985,  because Harvard wouldn’t have accepted him with a 21 ACT. We can assume it was much higher — because Harvard.  And even if Harvard admitted an ACT 21 in 1985 because football, you know damn well that 21 didn’t major in chemistry, earn perfect grades, then kill the MCAT to make it into Harvard medical school. [/quote]

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