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[quote=RantingAtheist][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ha!!! YOU are tired??? Yooooooooooou are tired?!

I am tired, exhausted even, from fighting to have my relationship recognized by my government.  It has real consequences in my life- retirement, custody, insurance, etc.  There is no secular argument against recognizing my marriage, only a religious one.

Tired.  Pshaw.  I'll show you tired.[/quote]

This is where many conservative religious leaders miss the point.  No one is suggesting that a particular church must give blessings to same sex couples.  The argument is that the state, not a church, should recognize these relationships.  Fundamental difference.  Religious conservatives want to impose their views on others.  No one is requiring churches to recognize same sex couples, or requiring others to enter such relationships.  [/quote]

Right. To take it a step further, the problem all started when religious institutions agreed to be co-opted into secular affairs. "Marriage" confers a certain set of privileges upon couples. Inheritance rights, visitation rights, insurance coverage, to name just a few. Religious institutions claimed the right to "create" these unions, which then had secular ramifications. If the state had no finger in "marriage" whatsoever, and all couples (whatever the sexual orientation) simply registered for a "civil union", we wouldn't have any of these deeper issues. And religious institutions could either endorse such civil unions via "marriage" if they chose, or not.

It's pretty rich, though, that certain religious organizations fight tooth and nail against same-sex marriage based on the far-fetched possibility they might be required to perform a SS ceremony. Meanwhile, religious institutions that condone same-sex marriage are expressly forbidden by the state from doing so.

Religious freedom for me, but not for thee.[/quote]

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