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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It will bite you when it becomes excessive. Eventually, companies won’t hire you when you become a serial job hopper, or at least a lot of doors will close.

[b]I wouldn’t give you a chance at my firm. [/b]4 jobs in 3 years? I’d assume you got let go. [/quote]

Definitely my fear. When i interviewed with my current company they didn't even bring it up as a negative in the interview. It was more like 'wow you've had a lot of really good experiences across the industry' and that was the extent of it. [/quote]

I would not want to work for a close minded person who would not give a chance. Sounds old fashioned to me. I agree that all the jobs give you a wide range of experience. You see what is done with competitors, different industries and so on. I see it no differently than a business with their constant laying off of people, merges, acquisitions, retirement buyouts. Well, an employee can “lay off” an employer. Why not?

I worked for a place that laid people off in 2-3 rounds. I was round 2. Then they hired a bunch back. They fired all those people to make their reports look better to a buyer. Where is the loyalty to the humans they employed?

You’ll be fine, OP.

Those who fear a recession probably live above their means or paycheck to paycheck. Save for a rainy say. Make hay while the sun shines. [/quote]

I’m the guy who said I wouldn’t give him a chance. It’s not old fashioned, I get people leave jobs for a lot of reasons but there’s really not a ton of good ones after a long string of them, so why take the risk? Maybe the guy got unlucky and picked a dud? Sure. But not 4 in a row. Its likely that he probably got pushed out of at least one, if not two. And if so, why? I can hire anyone I want because I pay top dollar, why even take the risk on someone who either is actually a low performer and can’t last at a company, or has a real attitude problem and cuts and runs the second they have to roll up their sleeves, or just doesn’t give a crap about his boss and his company and will immediately leave as soon as I’ve trained them?

I pay my team very well. I give them unlimited time off and I encourage them to take it. I let them set their own hours. I let them work remotely. They have full autonomy and trust. In return I expect two things: one, never let me get surprised by something in front of my boss. We need honesty and trust or it won’t work. Two, I expect you to do your job and do it really well. Do that, and I’ll shower you with money and praise.

I have the lowest turnover of any group at my company. No one leaves. Because I go to the matt for the team. I protect, I elevate and I reward.

But a guy who just leaves for the next thing as fast as possible? Meh. That’s not who I need on my team. I need the guy (or gal) who will accept that, hey, maybe, sometimes, I gotta call you on Sunday. And I need that person not to throw a hissy fit if I need 15 minutes of help. And the flipside is, 3 or 4 years with me and I’ll help you land a high 6 maybe even 7 figure job. But I want people who are in it with me, not those looking to get a pound of flesh, stir the pot and run for the nearest exit.

Someone who job hops has greater risk of being the latter. There’s no upside for me to taking that risk, only downside. [/quote]

I actually would not be thrilled working for you. Many issues about last company are things you think are perks. I hate unlimited time off, folks setting own hours, unlimited WFH and the bullshit of full autonomy.

I had that set up and was a nightmare. Work becomes 24/7, always chasing people, boss gives autonomy so you do all it by your self no direction so boss can take credit of good or blame you if bad. And nonsense about I pay well heard it before.

My best job I loved I had 11 years. Zero WFH. No flex time, all same hours, CEO door always open. Not a meeting driven company. We also really worked no OT. We were very efficient. With entire company in office 9-5 and all vacations prebooked on a schedule we ran like clockwork. No wasted time chasing people,  Zoom, waiting for responses. And folks with kids loved it. No Ot, no after hours emails. Steady. Sadly we made record money and got bought out.

I loved it. The shit show of everyone goes their own way sounds good. But in reality I got my thumb up
My ass waiting on folks wasting so much time [/quote]

I hear you. I don’t doubt that there are many companies where these perks are BS. It really comes down to the manager and how honest he or she is. It’s about setting reasonable boundaries, and about doing what you’d want for yourself for your team. Most any decision, when made through that lens, can be made “good” for people. For what k describe to work you need trust and honesty; giving autonomy without direction and leaving folks rudderless is a bait and switch, offering unlimited time off and then not letting people take it is dishonest, telling people you occasionally need help after hours and then making it 24/7 on call is dishonest. I strive for transparency and fairness, and I make sure the team sees I’m in it with them. If something happens that means we have to work late one night, I’m there doing it too. If someone on my team does good work, i invite them to the senior leadership meeting to present it. You do the work, you get the credit. If I take time off, I ask my team to as well. Etc.

Last year I spent a month and a half in Hawaii. I worked a bit but I was mostly on/off parts of the day. The time difference was a bit wonky, but the flip side was lots of free afternoons. A team member asked me if they could do the same from Miami to be near family. I said sure. They were there for four months. Another team member asked me if we could work out a plan where they could flex hours so they could ski mornings for a few hours as they had a friend with a house in Tahoe. I said sure. I think they were there for about a month. Another one told me that they didn’t feel comfortable hiring a nanny with covid and could they break off at 3pm to take care of kids? Sure.

And here’s the important critical bit: you don’t count the hours and make people make them up. Why? Cause we are all adults. It’s about performance not butt-in-seat hours. In fact, during performance evals I’ve seen people get worse reviews because they work too much (ie a task shouldn’t take that long). What I’ve seen in my years is that this dynamic works very well for those are confident and high performing, works poorly for those who are not.

But I think you raise a fair point. It does mean sometimes you have to wait a little extra for someone to get back to you. Maybe it does sort of bleed work into longer hours as people chose to work when it suits them. Personally, a 9-5pm in person, zero flexibility micromanaged job sounds nightmarishly unpleasant, and id take the breakfast on the lanai with my laptop while I watch my kids run into the ocean option. And that’s the team and vision I’ve built for myself and my staff. [/quote]

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