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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If you don’t have any medical reason to do so. I just don’t want to be pregnant again, gain weight and have to try to lose it again. have my body change permanently, give birth etc.

And I can easily afford a surrogate.

Would you do it in my situation?[/quote]

It is immoral and you are amoral.  If I were your husband, I would divorce you and get 100% custody of children and never allow you to see them again

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You people are histrionic.  And honestly I think this attitude is founded in misogyny.  We can and do outsource absolutely every other aspect of the human experience, and for the most part none of that is considered immoral as long as all parties are consenting and the transaction is at arms length.  But for some reason gestating a pregnancy is an absolute red line that we cannot ever cross - why? Interrogate why you think pregnancy and childbirth is such a sacred part of being a mother.

Also some thought experiments here to narrow down what you think the problem is:

- is it immoral for a gay male couple to use a surrogate to have a baby?
- is it immoral for a woman who cannot get pregnant to use a surrogate? what about a woman who could get pregnant but is at high risk for complications - is use of a surrogate immoral for her?
- is it immoral for a woman who cannot carry a pregnancy to have her own egg/embryo implanted into another woman for surrogacy?  
- is it immoral for a woman who cannot produce viable eggs to use donor eggs to get pregnant? 
- is it immoral for an intended mother to use donor sperm to get pregnant when her partner/intended father's sperm isn't viable?  
- is it immoral for a single woman to use donor sperm to become a single mother on purpose?
- is it immoral to use donor eggs/sperm in situations where the intended parent may have viable reproductive sperm/eggs, but has a genetic condition or other issue that they don't want to pass on to their children?
- is adoption immoral?

There are a thousand other shades of grey questions in between, but if you think some of these situations are fine and others are "immoral", I urge you to think about why.  What bright line rule can you articulate about what is moral when it comes to reproductive technology?

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Do you not get the difference between - I can't do something vs I don't wanna because of bikini season?? [/quote]

PP here.  The questions above were intended to make you think about what *exactly* you think is immoral.  If using a surrogate is okay for women who cannot carry their own pregnancy - then it's not the actual act of using a surrogate that you think is immoral.  So what is it?[/quote]

I only support surrogacy that is completely voluntary and the only money involved is for medical expenses or time off for birth and recovery etc. Many countries agree.[/quote]

Ok now we're getting somewhere.  Just to clarify - you support a fully voluntary surrogacy, regardless of whether the intended mother *cannot* carry her own pregnancy or simply *doesn't want* to?  But you wouldn't support the same surrogacy if the surrogate was being compensated beyond loss of income and medical expenses?

So the morality for you has nothing to do with the reason for seeking a surrogate, but rather on whether the surrogacy has been commodified (by compensating the surrogate) - is that right?[/quote]

No. Motivation to exploit another person bc of vanity is disgusting morally. What's next?? I get to harvest skin from teh poors so mine can look younger?? [/quote]

Are you the PP who said you support fully voluntary, non-compensated surrogacy? Because if so this seems contradictory.

Assuming you're a different poster, it sounds like for you the moral line is about the motive - is that right?  So surrogacy is moral for an intended mother cannot physically or medically carry her own pregnancy, but if the intended mother is capable but just doesn't want to carry a pregnancy, it's immoral.  Is that right?[/quote]

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