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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]Well for diabetes, it’s sugar, no question[/b]. For cancer - probably many contributors including non-dietary, and genetics. And bad luck. [/quote]

Hmm.. this is actually not true.

Type 1 diabetes is caused by your immune system attacking the insulin producing cells of your pancreases and has nothing to do with lifestyle.

Type 2 diabetes is related to being overweight but not directly caused by sugar. Sugar/carbs are easier to overeat so make it easier to pack on the pounds but if you eat a lot of sugar without being overweight you are less likely to get type 2 diabetes. [/quote]
OP here. The documentary alleged that it is fat that destroys your pancreas, hence diabetes. That eating a lot of sugar will make you overweight, but that butter in let's say a cookies is the culprit.[/quote]

Just because a documentary throws it out there doesn't mean it's true. [/quote]
Sure. But each different documentary uses studies to reinforce their claim. This one even Harvard and many other studies. Others cite studies that support their claims. So,  what is a regular person to think?[/quote]

It’s always a good idea to seek out alternative views rather than relying on one source. Here are a couple of other takes on the documentary.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/7/25/16018658/what-the-health-documentary-review-vegan-diet
https://time.com/4897133/vegan-netflix-what-the-health/[/quote]
Thanks so much! You are right, and the reviews are right! What terrible "documentary!"[/quote]

OP, no single source is perfect, but a documentary will always have a preferred perspective and agenda. It's the way (and why) they are made.

If you want to know the best resources for a "regular person," try the relevant major professional organization fact sheets -- e.g., for cardiology, look at information from the American Heart Association and/or the American College of Cardiology, such as the "2019 ACC/AHA Guideline on the Primary Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease" at https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/ten-points-to-remember/2019/03/07/16/00/2019-acc-aha-guideline-on-primary-prevention-gl-prevention :

[quote]Nutrition

Dietary patterns associated with CVD mortality include—sugar, low-calorie sweeteners, high-carbohydrate diets, low-carbohydrate diets, refined grains, trans fat, saturated fat, sodium, red meat, and processed red meat (such as bacon, salami, ham, hot dogs, and sausage). All adults should consume a healthy plant-based or Mediterranean-like diet high in vegetables, fruits, nuts, whole grains, lean vegetable or animal protein (preferably fish), and vegetable fiber, which has been shown to lower the risk of all-cause mortality compared to control or standard diet. Longstanding dietary patterns that focus on low intake of carbohydrates and a high intake of animal fat and protein as well as high carbohydrate diets are associated with increased cardiac and noncardiac mortality. The increased availability of affordable, palatable, and high-calorie foods along with decreased physical demands of many jobs have fueled the epidemic of obesity and the consequent increases in hypertension and T2DM.[/quote]

They are not perfect, but they do have to reflect a consensus opinion across a large number of highly trained specialists in the area.

Also, be careful that you are accessing what you think you are accessing. Names can be deceiving. The American Academy of Pediatrics is reliable, but the American College of Pediatricians is a wingnut fringe group. [/quote]

The American Heart Association is a money making corporation.  They charge tons of money to have their "heart healthy" labels put on boxes of sugary cereals in grocery stores! And we feed them to our children  :shock:  Along with other products with fake, processed ingredients all through out our grocery stores. 
Also, anyone who looks to Harvard for health and food nutrition advice, they also receive tons of kick back and millions in support from corporations.  Corporations and big business are behind pushing all this processed "healthy" food.

Look up the history of Kellogg's, their religious agenda on why cereals and grains were pushed so hard in this country.

I don't agree with veganism, but the whole food plant based crowd does have a point that we should be eating whole foods, nothing processed and that includes sugar.  [/quote]

Sure. What's your source for information that passes the test of purity, then? Please post specifics. Thanks.[/quote]

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