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[quote=Anonymous]OP here.  Thanks for all the replies, DCUM.  I'll respond to a few of the comments here.

1. It's a 3.8 not a 4.8 and the top kids will have 4.3 or 4.4s from his school. Not sure of his class rank, but for sure it won't be cum laude at this point.
2. Yes, we know all about finding the right fit. He asked my advice about schools and I put post-its on the pages of 70 schools in one of those "best colleges" books.  These are all schools that have the best programs for what he's looking for.  
3.  We've asked him about his goals and whether he feels pressured by us or others to set them so high.  He says that "this is about me and what I want and it's just a fact that the grad school and career I want will be easier to get to by going to one of the best known programs for this major." I can't argue with his reasoning. 
4. Yes, I know that an assessment isn't the test. I'm just asking for the sake of this exercise that you assume that score. These tests are fairly easy for him, so I don't doubt 1500ish.

He will be full-pay.  He's white.  I was hoping that ED would help, but his two cousins who applied this year have similar scores were denied their ED choices. The number of applicants has just shot up so high that ED is not longer an advantage, it seems.

I really appreciated the remark about looking for leadership within leadership (scouts, etc).  He has managed to fill his summers with meaningful volunteer work within his area of career interest.  He spent this pandemic doing service projects that show some initiative.  He think he's a great kid who works hard.  We just want to help steer him and to help him manage his expectations.

Basically, I don't want to discourage him from aiming at non-Ivy top schools, but if his stats made that unlikely, I want to help him manage his expectations.  We'll see what Naviance says in another month or two.  Any other feedback is very welcome![/quote]

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