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The Naviance data has to be taken with a huge shaker of salt because many of those admits (perhaps as many as 50%) are probably recruited athletes, ED applicants, URM, legacy, first generation etc.   For kids without any of those hooks, the average is probably a 4.0/1550.  [/quote]

PP. You’re missing my point. The applicant pool is centered there, not the admit pool.

That is telling you that the typical competitive applicant to Top 30-40 schools (if CS, roughly UC Irvine or NYU) or better are not 4.0/1500 by a long shot.

Also, W school so hooked are not development cases (those kids are Big 3) or URM. Recruited athletes at that level are rare enough that they don’t dominate the sample.[/quote]

It is you who are confused.  The applicant pool displayed on Naviance does not tell you who is a "competitive" applicant for an Ivy+ school when 90% of the applicants on the scattergram are not admitted.  Many of those kids applying are simply not competitive at all and never should have wasted their application in the first place -- particularly if they are not ED, legacy, URM, athlete, etc.

And even when the [b]admit [/b]pool is centered at 3.92 and 1500 that does not mean those stats are competitive for an unhooked applicant given the prevalence of ED, legacy, URM and athlete admits at a high SES school like a W school.

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Ugh, no. Since you are wilfully misrepresenting what I am saying, I went and counted. At our W school, there are about 10 years of data with about 55-65 applicants to Harvard total who have SAT >= 1500 and uwGPA >= 3.9. I'll use those facts as a starting point.

So if you want to claim that there is this huge dark pool of 4.0/1550/all-state somethings out there that are blocking all the normies from getting into their dream school, you would need to explain why that aren't on that scattergram. Since our school uses Naviance to process letters and manage the flow of information to the schools, I think it's fair to conclude that the uwGPA, SAT, and applied variables are correct and essentially complete. (I know the waitlist, admit/deny and matriculate are self-reported, but I'm not using them.) So either there isn't this huge dark pool, or for some reason Harvard isn't cool and all the smart kids at my W want to go to YPSM but not H.

I'm argiung for the former, but I know it goes against DCUM received wisdom that our kids all really deserve to go to an Ivy, but it's just so unfair now and it wasn't back then.

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