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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]But IVF is so different from abortion. [b]Embryos that are not implanted have no chance at survival on their own. They are essentially a mass of cells. [/b]Without further medical intervention nothing will grow from them. I can’t see how we would get to the level of extreme that would eliminate IVF[/quote]

This argument does not sway dedicated pro-life Catholics.  It's the exact same argument as abortion (although as a side note, I'd be interested in this imaginary implanted embryo that can survive "on its own"), and the reason they call IUDs and Plan B "abortifacients" rather than contraception - because they prevent implantation.

As a silver lining, if she's truly pro-life at least she's going to be against the death penalty too.[/quote]

People that want to protect reproductive rights and access to reproductive technologies and abortion are not anti life.[/quote]

As one of those people, I'm well aware.  But I do think that it's worth using their own verbiage here.  So many people just blindly cheer for anyone "pro life" because they think that person means what *they* mean when they say it.  No late term abortion, no abortion as birth control, something like that.  But Catholic teachings are very clear: [u]no[/u] abortion, including what Karen thinks of when she thinks of abortion, BUT ALSO including when the fetus is nonviable, when there are severe chromosomal abnormalities, when the mother is in danger, when the mother was raped; no IVF; no contraception at all (outside of the rhythm method); no death penalty, all of it.  [/quote]

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