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Horseshit. "Most number of defense projects" has no bearing whatsoever to "better equipment for the troops." This is the sort of thing that only someone who knows *nothing* about the military would believe. As far as "the gop...has given the military the best pay raises", that also smells like horseshit. The fact that you've merely parroted it rather than providing any evidence leads to the conclusion it's a partisan article of faith rather than a rationally held belief.

Under the GOP, defense contractors do very well. As do very rich people in general. Generally speaking poor and lower middle class people get the shaft. Most of the troops in the field are lower middle class. You do the math.[/quote]

Actually, I did post evidence, however the link is broken - but you could have copied and pasted it into your browser to see it instead of just blasting of nonsense.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/06/~/media/Images/Reports/2010/b2418_chart1_1.ashx?w=600&h=478&as=1

Second, although defense contracts do line the pockets of defense contractors, they also provide the troops with better technology. MRAP comes to mind immediately. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRAP
Also the helmet. From the 1980s to 2005, it was Kevlar. Kevlar was mostly effective but heavy and ackward to wear. The USMC now uses the lightweight helmet thanks to defense initiatives and procurements. It is much lighter and more effective than the Kevlar helmet. I know, I've worn them in combat. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevlar#Armor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Helmet

[b]Look at the pdf files for the payraises by year. The biggest payraises were during Republican years. You do the math. 
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/militarypay/a/historicalpay.htm
http://www.military.com/benefits/content/military-pay/charts/historical-military-pay-rates.html [/b]

I'm not parroting. I've been in the military for 19 years, so I think I have a better grip on the facts than you do, and it is supported by all evidence.[/quote]

[b]Your link showed that overall defense spending has skyrocketed under various GOP administrations. It shouldn't be necessary to hold your hand and explain to you that a rise in overall defense spending has nothing to do with payraises. Also, it's funny that you don't define "Republican years". My guess is that your definition would be extremely, ahem, "flexible." [/b]

[quote]Also the helmet. From the 1980s to 2005, it was Kevlar. Kevlar was mostly effective but heavy and ackward to wear. The USMC now uses the lightweight helmet thanks to defense initiatives and procurements. It is much lighter and more effective than the Kevlar helmet.[/quote]

This may be the dumbest argument I've heard so far.  Your incredibly hacky Heritage Foundation graph shows something on the order of a $300bn /year increase in the overall defense budget. And you're trying to make the argument that this was largely a function of adapting Kevlar to protective uses. As opposed to massive numbers of bloated, unnecessary weapons systems (like nuclear attack subs, and cripplingly expensive and redundant aircraft) and private defense contractor waste, fraud, and abuse.

It's funny, because this is exactly how the racket works: spend billions and billions on exotic weapons systems, and sprawling mcmansions in NoVa for modern day robber barons who run the major defense contracting companies--while shortchanging the actual troops in the field--and when anyone bats an eye, you point to kevlar helmets.[/quote]

Apparently, you can't read. I attached two links with historical pay raise data. Let's examine it.
Democrats controlled BOTH house from 1955 until 1980 (26 years).
From 1981 until 1987 the Republicans controlled the Senate and the Democrats the House.
Democrats recaptured both in 87 and held them until 95 when the Republicans took both and held them until 2005.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_years_did_democrats_control_both_house_and_senate#ixzz1Yn3maDyC
Reagan/Bush
*1981 11.7% military pay 9.1% average civilian pay (Republicans controlled the Senate and the Democrats the House)
*1982 14.3% military pay 9.1% average civilian pay (Republicans controlled the Senate and the Democrats the House)
-1983 4.0% military pay 8.1% average civilian pay (Republicans controlled the Senate and the Democrats the House)
-1984 4.0% military pay 5.6% average civilian pay (Republicans controlled the Senate and the Democrats the House)
-1985 4.0% military pay 5.1% average civilian pay (Republicans controlled the Senate and the Democrats the House)
-1986 3.0% military pay 4.4% average civilian pay (Republicans controlled the Senate and the Democrats the House) 
-1987 3.0% military pay 4.2% average civilian pay (Republicans controlled the Senate and the Democrats the House)
-1988 2.0% military pay 3.5% average civilian pay (both Democrat)
*1989 4.1% military pay 3.5% average civilian pay (both Democrat)
-1990 3.6% military pay 4.4% average civilian pay (both Democrat)
1991 4.1% military pay 4.4% average civilian pay (both Democrat)
1992 4.2% military pay 4.2% average civilian pay (both Democrat)
Clinton years
-1993 3.7% military pay raise 3.7% average civilian pay raise (both Democrat)
-1994 2.2% military pay raise 2.7% average civilian pay raise (both Democrat)
-1995 2.6% military pay raise 3.1% average civilian pay raise (both Democrat)
-1996 2.4% military pay raise 2.9% average civilian pay raise (both Republican)
1997 3.0% military pay raise 2.8% average civilian pay raise (both Republican)
-1998 2.8% military pay raise 3.3% average civilian pay raise (both Republican)
1999 3.6% military pay raise 3.6% average civilian pay raise (both Republican)
*2000 6.2% military pay raise 4.3% average civilian pay raise (both Republican)
GW Bush years
*2001 4.1% military pay raise 3.2% average civilian pay raise (Senate split, Republican House)
*2002 6.9% military pay raise 4.1% average civilian pay raise (both Republican)
*2003 4.7% military pay raise 3.6% average civilian pay raise (both Republican)
*2004 4.2% military pay raise 3.1% average civilian pay raise (both Republican)
*2005 3.5% military pay raise 3.0% average civilian pay raise (both Republican)
*2006 3.1% military pay raise 2.6% average civilian pay raise (both Republican)
*2007 2.7% military pay raise 2.2% average civilian pay raise (both Republican)
*2008 3.5% military pay raise 3.0% average civilian pay raise (both Democrat)

I put an asterick by the years with the best payraises when compared to the civilian sector. * Note that these are almost exclusively when Republicans controlled Congress with a Republican President.
The worst raises, marked with - are mostly when the President, House, and Senate are not of the same parties, or when they are all Democrat.
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