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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is a tough one.

I am moderate and terrified by what I see from the progressive left and Trump right.  My best friend is all MAGA and it's hard not to lump him in with the white nationalists and authoritarians who are Trumps biggest base of support.  But also, I try to see it from his side:  he is law enforcement and feels like Trump and Trumpism is the only one who will stand up for him.  And he has a point.

That being said, my dad is also deep down the Fox News rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.  I keep him at arm's length and I have lost respect for him.  It's much easier to distance from your parent than your spouse.  I don't have sex with him.
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Please explain exactly what is "terrifying" about progressives.[/quote]

Mobbing people who are sitting outside and demanding they conform with their political agenda.  Gathering on-line petitions to cancel college professors that do not conform to strict anti-racism ideology.  Firing NYT editors for publishing editorials from a sitting US senator whose opinion is supported by a majority of the population.  Supporting campus tribunals that deny due process to students accused of sexual assault.

I can give countless examples, but a general chilling of free speech and due process that is absolutely essential to democratic ideals.[/quote]

This is gaslighting.

Gathering petitions IS free speech in action.

Telling a newspaper you are so angry about an editorial that you are canceling your subscription is a time honored American exercise of free speech. And when the publisher of said paper says to his editor, "What the hell is going on?" And the editor doesn't have a solid defense of the editorial but rather says, "Jeez, actually I didn't even read the editorial before I okayed it," you're damn right he gets fired, for failure to do his job.

What do you think free speech looks like, and how exactly does a sitting American Senator lack for free speech?[/quote]

These are fair points, but they miss the mark. The right to free speech is right to be free of GOVERNMENT infringement on speech. None of the "terrifying" examples given by the PP involve the government, so they aren't first amendment issues. IOW, our terrified poster doesn't know what "free speech" is. [/quote]

Oh spare me.  I know the difference between government penalties for free speech prosecution and societal sanctions for speech that a fraction of the country now deems out of bounds that was perfectly acceptable yesterday.

And if you see a college student being expelled from school, who lacked due process as "no biggie because it wasn't a government action" or a private company being pressured to fire someone because a small but vocal mob demands action for an opinion that, for example, sexism isn't the reason for the pay gap.  That's a grotesque society that most people do not want to be a part of.  It chills open and honest dialog.  And it frankly terrifies the vast majority of the country that isn't woke.[/quote]

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