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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Are any of these programs for writing ok for a riding 3rd grader? My adhd son needs serious help in writing and I’m afraid another year of homeschool will set him back even further. I couldn’t even on focus on it too much because he was crying constantly and our relationship was getting damaged. G[/quote]

Long winded poster here again.

Treasured Conversations (which is what I use) and IEW (which is very highly recommended) both have a 3rd to 5th grade strand.  I think that they could work for some 3rd graders, but might be too much for a struggling third grader.  It really depends on how much the kid is struggling.  They're similar in that they're both classically based, so they do a lot of analyzing other people's writing, and use strategies like copywork and narration.  They're different in that TC is written for a kid and a parent to do together, almost like a conversation, whereas IEW has videos and a little more structure.  I haven't taught IEW.

If I was picking a program for a struggling writer, I'd want more information on what you see as the biggest problems.  Is it spelling or handwriting, or organization, or general reluctance to write?

I'd then pick one of two approaches

One would be to focus most of my effort on getting things on paper, and getting over that teary reluctant phase.  If I did that, I'd do whatever felt most like fun for my kid, whether that's drawing cartoons, or writing food reviews, or writing in the context of games.  I'd be really hands off, and do lots of praise and little constructive criticism.  Then I'd pick one skill area, like handwriting, or spelling, or organizing thoughts while working with a scribe, and work on it completely separately for short periods of time every day.

The other would be to use a very skills focused curriculum, and assume that the tears will end when the skills are better.  Treasured Conversations might be good for that.  I think it's easier than IEW.  But if you wanted something designed for younger kids,  I might use is Writing With Ease, which you can find here:

https://welltrainedmind.com/c/language-arts/writing/expository/elementary-writing/?v=7516fd43adaa

One thing I like about the classical approach for a reluctant writer (which would be either WWE or Treasured Conversations or IEW) is that the focus is on writing less but writing it well, and the materials tend to very structured, so your kid can see exactly what they need to do and can tell when they're done.  Which makes it, frankly, easier to bribe them, or to help them see the logic of just powering through.

If you tell me what things you think your kid needs to work on (e.g. spelling? handwriting? grammar? organizing thoughts?) or what he likes to do (knowing that he might hate all writing, but it might really be figuring out what he hates less) and examples, I can give you specific suggestions.  [/quote]

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