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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I read his account on IG and quite frankly I admire his bravery. It has to be extraordinary daunting to come out as an atheist when you have built up a huge base of supporters who follow and support you strictly for your Christianity. [/quote] I don't think he's an atheist. I think he is an agnostic and grappling with the existence of God in a world filled with pain.[/quote] As you should know, you can be both agnostic and atheist, and nearly all atheists are so.[/quote] Then they are not real atheists. They are agnostics. An atheist doesn't believe in the existence of a god, while an agnostic does not know if one exists and believes that it cannot be proven either way. One belief is definite, while the other is not.[/quote] You can not believe in the existence of a god and also recognize that it can’t be proven either way.[/quote] But agnostics also claim that they don't know definitively in the existence of a god whereas atheists claim that they know there is no god. If they claim they don't know because it's unknowable, then they would be an agnostic. This is my DH. He said he's an atheist, then we started talking about it more, and he said that he didn't really know, to which I then said, "then wouldn't that make you an agnostic rather than an atheist?", and he said, "I guess so". IMO, those are two separate belief systems. https://www.dictionary.com/e/atheism-agnosticism/[/quote] Perhaps you don't like to think of your DH as being an atheist, so have concocted this idea of not knowing vs not believing. But if DH doesn't believe in God, he is an atheist -- and can still be a nice guy.[/quote] Oh, he's a great guy. That's why we are still married ;) But it's true that most people confuse the two terms, and he said he doesn't know that there is a god or not, not that he doesn't believe that there is no god. Again, two different things.[/quote] It can get pretty confusing. Believing there is no god is different from claiming to know there is no god. Your husband may well be an agnostic only (not knowing and presumably not thinking about what he believes) but most if not all atheists will say they are agnostic AND atheist (not knowing and not believing) but some may choose to identify primarily as atheist because they know that they don't believe. Others choose agnostic, in some cases because it sounds less harsh than "atheist." [/quote]
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