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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What would be reasonable SAT score for Ivy athletes that public/people are okay with and stop complaining about?
Did Harvard trial reveal grades and SAT scores of their athletic recruits?  I suspect that the stats are pretty high, but maybe not.
Given recent varsity blue scandal, admissions dean and coaches will likely be scrutinized and looked at closely of their athlete recruitment processes and SAT/gpa of their recruits in court.
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I don't know what would please some people. A score of 1450 is at the 95th percentile. That is a great score. Someone at the 95th percentile is beyond the minimum needed to do well at any Ivy. [/quote]

At most ivy league schools, a 1450 is around 25-30th percentile[/quote]

And? They will still do well in their classes and earn a degree. [/quote]

So could all the kids with 1560 SAT scores that got rejected.  Hey if it doesn’t matter to you, it doesn’t matter to you. Just pointing out the accurate barometer here. Athletes are simply less qualified academically. [/quote]

You are right, I don't care and I don't have an athletic kid. Your barometer doesn't matter because you and others who care about this do not run admissions at these schools. The school sets the barometer and doesn't see 1450 as less qualified because admissions doesn't evaluate applications that way, you do. [/quote]

1450 being the 25th percentile WAS set by the school. I didn’t set it there.

As for being less qualified, I think the schools think that as well because they take fewer applicants at that score and with respect to athletes they almost never take non-athletes with the same academic profile. Athletes might be minimally qualified but they are, on this standard, less qualified. [/quote]

I have two friends that work in admissions at 1 Ivy and 1 top 20 school. I was told that there is a general consensus of what is the baseline for qualified and as you noted 1450 is in the 25th percentile, which probably represents the floor. Kids are not ranked by who is more or less qualified if they fall within the range of qualified applicants. This is why a 1560 SAT student can be rejected. Other factors, e.g., GPA, hooks, ECs, etc. determine if someone gets in. The 1560 can be in the same group as the 1450, both are in the "qualified" pool. Many people on this board want to argue that the 1560 is more academically qualified and should be admitted over the 1450. My point is that Ivy league admissions don't evaluate "qualified" and rank students in that way in determining admittance.

I just told my son that he is not getting into Stanford just because he scored 1550 on the SATs. It doesn't work that way. You have to have a hook (e.g., athlete, legacy) and/or do something extraordinary beyond being a highly qualified student (academics).  [/quote]

Fair enough, SAT/ACT scores are not an independent data point, however, Harvard literally ranks all applicants on a 1-5 scale on academics.   It's not a binary yes/no question.  On that overall academic ranking, athletes rank lower and athletes with significantly lower academic rankings are admitted at a rate many, many times higher than non-athletes.  So, I don't know how you can argue that they are not on the academic side, less qualified.[/quote]

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