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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Use of force with animals is a complicated thing that has to be taught.

For many people, for example, putting a bit in a horse's mouth and riding over jumps is okay, and correcting a refusal with a crop is okay, but "excessive" use of a whip is not okay. Pulling on the bit is okay but drawing blood with a bit is not okay. It's complicated!

Giving puppy a quick correction jerk of the leash for pulling might be okay if your intention is to avoid a tug-of-war and you're using positive reinforcement as well. Using the leash to pull puppy towards something he is scared of is not okay. Jerking the leash because you're mad at puppy is not okay.

So, kid needs to understand that any force with puppy is always part of a considered training system and never done in anger. I would say take puppy and kid to a puppy class (or to a private session with a trainer) so kid can have a better understanding of the process. [/quote]

Force free training is a rapidly growing movement.  People are competing in high levels of dog (and horse) competition without choke collars or bits, and seeing plenty of success.  My hope is 5 years from now there is no conflict at all--people realize that force is unnecessary.  (In your example, the vast, vast majority of trainers now see even leash pops as unnecessary--between circling, front harnesses, fading treats...loose leash walking is able to be accomplished by the average joe without force, and thus with far more safety).[/quote]

This is a huge overstatement.  Many dog trainers who were positive only have evolved to balanced training.  [/quote]

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