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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Haven't read the article yet, but I've always thought it well known that most women get turned on by being the object of desire and having an assertive, more dominant lover. I've never had trouble finding this in men. And I'm not talking about jerks or a-holes. I've met plenty of men who are perfectly nice, considerate gentlemen, not sexists, can treat women as equals but know how to take charge in bed. Maybe it's because I'm older and my partners have been around my same age.[b] Is there really a dearth of sexually confident, assertive men in younger generations that know how to navigate this duality? Women used to be told all the time that we needed to be a whore in the bedroom and a lady outside of it. Are younger men unable to pull the equivalent off[/b]?[/quote]
This is a very good point.[/quote]
No they are not, unless their dads give them some idea. Boys are being talk these days to always ask permission to take the next step with a girl. This is what you end up with. The intent is right, but you end up with these so called "beta" guys in the bedroom [/quote]

Right, even if you get permission 15 ways from Sunday, if she regrets it later, you’re still at risk to be accused of rape. And the accusation equals the conviction. [b]Women have brought this on themselves[/b].[/quote]

I don't agree with the bolded part, but agree with everything above. Terrible times and awful sexual assaults being exposed leaves parents of boys with no recourse but to discuss this often. I do. My son is sort of a metro guy. Thin, pretty face, long wavy hair and really kind. He's not an alpha guy but plays a varsity sport, good student, president of our local food pantry. This is the hardwired him. I wouldn't say generation z will become beta but sure will need to be very cautious. DS is 16 so our conversations are funny and serious. Told him recently that he's going to college with full body condoms and contracts. On the flip side, I understand the outrage and people lash out about, "teach your sons to be better". We are! But we have been even before me too. My kid would never, ever be disrespectful to a young woman because again, he's not hardwired or entitled. The sins of a minority of men have created the new blue print. There is no gray area. It's black or white (sexual deviants vs beta). But the majority is gray, normal young men with a sex drive who would never harm a woman.

Example:
This past weekend, DS friend was over. This kid is over 6', great looking, champion swimmer and incredibly confident. Not alpha but very much a player.  I noticed a couple of hickies on the front of his neck. I said, the vampire won huh? He told me that she wanted him to kiss her so badly that she provoked him. It didn't go further. I understood what he was getting at. While he is all of the above, he will not cross the line unless the girl insists! Well, she left a few marks.

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So in your book the boy has no choice in the matter....he is just there for the entertainment of the girl? She can do what ever she wants including bruising and marking him? What would you say to a girl who told you the same story?[/quote]

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