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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wow does it differ by agency. It's very rare to get above 12 or 13 without being supervisory in mine. [/quote]

@ CIA you can get into their version of the senior exec service (Senior Intelligence Service) in the DI. They did it to keep great analysts that just wanted to do research, write, and work on products without the managing bullshit and realized it wasn't worth seeing people with built up knowledge leave if they didn't want to manage but their level was being capped due to that.

That's what my manager told me. It was a big selling point when I went through recruitment there. [/quote]

New poster, I thought SIS was like SES for the CIA? I didn't know they were non supervisory.[/quote]

The vast majority are supervisory. Sorry I wasn’t clear - what I was trying to say is that there are non-supervisory SIS positions in the DI.

I don’t know how common they are though or how competitive they are. My thesis advisor helped start that type of position when he was deputy director there. [/quote]

Non-supervisor promotions to 15 and higher are crazy competitive from what I hear, and the supervisors (even bad ones!) get promoted MUCH faster. [/quote]

There are two tracks to 15 in the DI:

1. Becoming a senior analyst (Senior Analytic Service or SAS -- equivalent to SES). VERY difficult and competitive. We liken it to getting tenure as a professor. If you get it, it's a non-supervisory gs-15 role.

2. Getting promoted to 15 as a manager. I'm not sure if this automatically grants you SIS, but I don't think it does. That's a separate promotion. This is a much easier path.

It's very rare/essentially unheard of to go from being a gs-15 manager to gs-15 analyst. People have gone the other way (senior analyst to manager), but usually people who have been managers don't have the track record necessary to successfully apply to the SAS.

Alternatively, people who don't want to be a manager or can't get promoted to senior analyst (or don't want the responsibilities that come with it) can stay as gs-14 analysts. It's a great salary and usually they slow down their work pace and work on complex, long-term projects. [/quote]

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