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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t think you’ve convincingly debunked anything, graph-posting PP. The author’s point about SAT scores is that they are overvalued because they haven’t been shown to predict much about the applicant’s success in school beyond first year grades. They don’t predict who’s going to contribute to university life, be a college community leader, a star researcher, etc.

The author acknowledges the other general correlation to post- college earnings and simply points out that that’s not a very meaningful reason to rely so heavily on scores because many of the higher scorers already come from wealth. Your attempt at debunking that is not very persuasive because, whatever the reason for the racial differences (and well-studied ones have been pointed out that you don’t address), within each group the lines clearly show that scores go up as income goes up. So, yes, wealth and scores generally correlate.

I don’t see any of the extreme views in the article that you are attributing to the author. The article is a lot more rational and nuanced than you paint it. And the example he gives about SAT scores is about a student who was an excellent candidate and well qualified and whose main “deficit” was a standardized score below the college’s median. I’m sure that there have been plenty of white male athletes admitted with scores similarly below the median. Nothing about his discussion of this example suggests that he’s advocating for acceptance of unqualified URMs with “shit grades”.[/quote]

Scores are not correlated to wealth. Because if they were, wealthy blacks would be getting better scores than poor Whites, or poor Asians would be doing badly on testing. Both of which are not true and those two exceptions [b]destroy[/b] the wealth argument. So how do you account for wealthy whites scoring better than poor whites or wealthy blacks scoring better than poorer blacks. Simple.  [b]It has nothing to do with wealth, but more to do with IQ and "Assortative mating".[/b]  Higher IQ parents who become wealthy (and there is a strong causation here, as Steven Pinker points out) produce more intelligent kids who score better. Wealth is a result of higher IQ which the scores reflect. So you are dead wrong in reading that graph.

The point of the graph, which [b]demolishes this liberal argument [/b]that "Scores" should be discounted. Another reason liberals often use is "Scores don't predict much".  Well they are wrong there too. There is a Duke study that clearly shows that URM"s entering Duke with as much interest in STEM fields just [b]get slaughtered[/b] and exit the STEM fields in huge numbers into areas like "Gender studies" and less rigorous areas, because they can't cut it if they have lower score profiles than white and Asian kids in the STEM areas. Scores do predict whether you belong at a school. Don't kid yourself. The only reason the Vox writer is trying to make the argument that scores don't matter is because if he acknowledges that scores matter, he would have to admit that certain kids (white, black, Asian) with subpar academics and scores are mismatched to elite schools, when they should be going to other schools. [/quote]

Lol, obvious what types of websites you read.  Also, you don't have a great understanding of correlation in statistics.  [b]The wealth-scores correlation can be significant even if there are exceptions[/b].

Also, I'm glad you learned a big word there, assortative mating, but most disparities we see in the world have multiple causal factors.  And you're ignoring some of those that are relevant in the American historical context.[/quote]

And you don't understand causation. Wealth does not cause the scores to be higher even if there seems to be a correlation. Don't you get that simple fact? And since wealth is not the cause for higher scores, harping on wealth, just shows you have class envy. High scoring kids also happen to be rich,but you don't need to be rich to score well nor will you score well, because you are rich.  [/quote]

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