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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP not sure if I understood your question. What do you mean with divine intervention? Can you give an example? [/quote]

+1 - OP, please elaborate on your question. What do you mean by an "issue" with homosexuality?

God through the Bible is clear that homosexual sex is a sin, but I do not believe that He condemns gay people who may have these feelings. He is waiting for all of us to turn from our sins and back to Him.[/quote]

It's truly hard to fathom an all-loving God who condemns as a sin the love of two people for one another.  Even if there isn't a god, murder would be wrong because of the harm you are doing to someone else.  Stealing would be wrong for same reason. Cheating on your spouse same, because of the hurt you are doing to another. Lying that hurts others - wrong. Greed that means others are affected by having less, or the earth is harmed because of the wasteful consumption - wrong.  Ignoring the plight of the poor and sick -- wrong.

2 men or 2 women in a loving, mutually satisfying relationship? What actual harm does that do except the perceived idea that God doesn't like it? Name the harm you see without staying simply "it's a sin according to God."  Who is harmed? What visible harm is there?  Not buying it. Don't care what a few lines written by human beings 2000+ years ago say.

You will never, ever be able to convince me that the loving marriages of my friends and family members are "sinful" because they are 2 men or 2 women paired up instead of one man and one woman. Never. Ever.  Love is love.  And if God isn't love, then I'm not sure I want to have much to do with God.

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In life is not everything black or white. Sin and abuse could creep in a Church recognized marriage and Grace could be seen in certain relationship considered sinful ( think of homosexual partners that support each other during serious diseases or unmarried couples sharing their love with friends and family). At the end only God will read hearts and know the true intentions. Said that [b]I think the problem with gay sex is that is missing the ‘one flesh’ unity and the potential to generate new creation[/b]. Also, often sex outside marriage (hetero too) often lack commitment and is more for temporary pleasure and casual relationships. This focus on self fulfillment and living in the moment could bring other issues with it (partner treated as’disposable’, divorce, unwanted pregnancy, hurt feelings etc). [/quote]

A whole lot of people have sex knowing there is no potential to generate new creation. Infertile people, post-menopausal women, anyone using reliable birth control.... Are they sinning, too?[/quote]
This article is discussing your objections (from a Catholic perspective).
https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2015/08/17/four-responses-to-the-what-about-infertility-argument/[/quote]

That's a whole lot of pretzel twisting right there and is completely centered on a PIV sex act that seems to be the only sexual act approved of by the Catholic church.

Tell me this, if 2 women never did the act but just loved each other in a sexless marriage (albeit with lots of kissing & hand holding, etc.) would you condemn that as a sin?

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NP: I wouldn't, but neither would the Church. But they also wouldn't call it a marriage, because technically until the marriage is sanctioned by the church and is consummated, it isn't a marriage to the Church, even if it is to the state. Two different meanings of the word "marriage."

But while misunderstood by many, and despised by many more, the the whole thing also is incredibly antiquated and due for a Vatican II-style overhaul.[/quote]

And that I understand, but then it raises the question if a woman marries a man who for whatever reason cannot physically consummate a marriage (in the traditional way), does that mean the Church would not recognize their marriage as a true marriage?  Very sad.[/quote]
Yes,[b] if two people are unable to have sex the marriage is considered invalid [/b](exception is if the inability to have sex happens after getting married, for example due to disability etc).[/quote]

That's just wrong.

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