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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Inflammatory would be posting it in the private school forum.[/quote]

That's why I thought there would be a more dispassionate audience here : )

This issue also I think impacts public school choice. In other words, whether or not (and there are arguments on both sides) or the extent to which a kid from a MC/UMC family can have the same opportunities/success at a school where there are challenges not faced to the same degree as other schools (e.g., hunger, resources, English literacy), significant socioeconomic diversity, and so on, due to parental involvement or supplementing. I personally struggle with this as a parent. I know it's been debated ad nauseum here.[/quote]
I think there is a tipping point at which having too many low income students may become a disadvantage to that MC/UMC child in the form of low income students needing more attention from faculty/staff to possibly not having a big enough academic peer group.

IMO, that tipping point is anything above 25 to 30%.  Others may feel differently.  I also think some SES diversity is a good thing, however, not from an education perspective, but just from a exposure to diversity perspective.[/quote]

You are assuming there is only one tipping point and not degrees of degradation. Some might argue 1 bad apple spoils the batch and poor kids have a higher rate of bad apples. I would agree there is a point where everybody is highly impacted but nuance impacts start immediately.

I just don’t know why when no one likes freeloaders as friends, coworkers, neighbors, family or partners we somehow have convinced ourselves that they are a value-add in our children’s school. I get the conundrum that they have to be educated but let’s not kid our selves that they do anything but add weight to the system.[/quote]
?  So you only want public schools to be for the well off?  Or you are saying private is better because then no kids are mooching off of you?

I don't expect children of any class to add value to a school.  All children are valuable, and all children should be educated, and the US government agrees with that.  That's why it's called public school, ie, funded by taxpayers.  I guess if you don't like that then certainly go private, but your property taxes are still paying for those poor kids' public school.[/quote]

This is the common counter point so I’ll take a shot showing the devise.

Of course all kids should be educated In the public schools. The problem is when rich kids get high level results and poor kids get poor results. Notice how I didn’t say rich or poor education. Problem is there is difference in results and there always will be. One side wants to water down the rich bubble schools to make them mirror the lower performaning school which won’t really help the poor kids. The other side wants to leave the poor kids in schools designed for rich kids perpetually failing least not they be accused of providing separate and unequal. Neither plan really is going to make a systematic difference in the outcomes of kids who are truly at risk. Before you trump up some study that shows that sticking 5 poor kids in some rich kid school, truly look at the controls. Not all poor kids are created equally. That and play it out, there aren’t enough Whitmans to absorb what ever magic percentage of Einstein or Kennedy, Wheaton, Gaithersburg, northwood or blair kids you want to redistribute.

Have a rich neighborhood school in a rich neighborhood is not a bad thing, having nice neighborhoods free of homeless and the lower SES hardships is not a bad thing. Shame on people simply trying to stoke class envy or warfare. [/quote]

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