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As people upthread said- you can't fool God.  The behavior you are describing has nothing to do with Christianity.  People who are "abusing" the redemption story by just treating people crappy and refusing to reflect or accept responsibility for their actions can say they are doing the Christian thing all they want, but they are not.  That is like me saying I am a vegetarian and eating meat everyday.  I can say whatever I want, but I am not a vegetarian.

I am always amazed at how many people think Christian theology is just stupid.  Like really, you think people who behave that way are following Christian doctrine properly?[/quote]

I get that, but to me, focusing on God's forgiveness/salvation/saving/etc in this life is pretty pointless. If you believe in God, they're going to judge what they're going to judge when you die.

The focus to me (both growing up Muslim, and as an atheist now) is making sure our actions matter to our fellow humans. If we work in accordance with our communities, the rest will work itself out.

I don't think all Christians are stupid, but surely you know that there are some people who will abuse tenets in their favor, to justify whatever. [b]But people will find a loophole to justify sh!tty behavior in all religions, not just Christianity.[/b] What I think some people are alluding to is the "accept Jesus as your savior before you die and you get in to heaven" thing. You live a crappy, hurtful life to others for 70 years, and in your last month/days you repent and you get into heaven? WTF?! I can't believe in any system that works like that.

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I understand what you're saying, and that the entire concept does not appeal to you.  But there is no "loophole."  You seem to think people deliberately decide to act badly and then "decide" to become Christian to "get out of jail" so to speak.  However, the whole point of repentance is to be genuine.  So #1, I think it is really rare for someone to say to themselves "I'm going to be a bad person... on purpose!"  The vast majority of people try to be good.  Someone who is purposely trying to be a bad person is probably not interested in ever being good.  #2.  How can repentance be genuine if you are planning out your trajectory of being bad to being good?  and #3.  whether you are complacent or not, again, has nothing to do with Christianity.  Christianity is about following Jesus and if you are modestly successful at that you will not be complacent and you will not be "abusing tenets."  I think your viewpoint is based on the Christians you have known in your life and Christians tend to be sort of horrible (ie unsuccessful at Christianity), so I guess I can't blame you.[/quote]

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