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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The British love to talk about US healthcare.  Why?  Because they are insecure and the NHS is in shambles.  Yes, there are issues with US healthcare but a different set of issues than in the UK.  [b]The British often face lengthy wait times and substandard care for serious conditions.  The NHS is great if you have a common illness or ailment.  NOT when you have breast cancer. [/b]  [/quote]You are so wrong.  We know at least three women in the UK (friends/family) who had breast cancer and were treated by the NHS.  Life threatening issues are taken care of immediately.

I posted earlier, but seems that post disappeared.  UK has NHS AND private insurance, AND the cost of medical care paying out of pocket is much much cheaper than here. So, the people we know there use NHS for common ailments and urgent care issues, but for things they don't want to wait for that are not life threatening, they pay private, and it's much more affordable.  Plus, they don't pay the ridiculous health insurance premiums like we do (our's is $1500/mo for a high deductible plan HMO).  I would MUCH prefer their system of public  plus private than what we have, which is basically the poor get free care, the rich can afford anything, and those of us in the middle get screwed.

And before ACA, there were lifetime max caps and pre-existing condition clauses. NHS has none of that.[/quote]

This is not the point. Most of the causes of increased deaths are attributable to LIFESTYLE choices. Little to do with access to care. 
We eat too much, drink too much, and use drugs too much. [/quote]
I was responding to the first PP - bolded.  Yes, Americans engage in unhealthy lifestyle choices. I don't think there's anything to argue about there. But to say that NHS is inferior to the US healthcare system, not quality of care, is incorrect.[b]  When middle class people are priced out of healthcare, that's an inferior system[/b].[/quote]

What does this mean?  Do you live in the US?  If someone is “priced out” then they receive government assistance for purchasing insurance.  Most Europeans have this vision that Americans must pay for healthcare before they can receive it.  They also seem shocked when they find out what Medicaid is and that we’ve had it for years.  [/quote]
You must be unaware of how expensive health insurance is on the private market.  [b]We pay $1500 for an HMO high deductible plan - family of four. We never hit the deductible.  Our HHI is $200K.  [/b]A family of four making $90K is not eligible for government assistance, nor can they afford $1500/mo high deductible plan on healthcare.[/quote]

So?  Your taxes would be higher in the UK.  Nothing is free.  [/quote]
It is only *slightly* higher because they don't have double tax like we do here. My DH is from the UK.   But even if taxes are higher, that's fine, since we get services for it.  While here in the US, we pay highish taxes PLUS high insurance premiums PLUS high healthcare costs.   The US is the ONLY developed country that doesn't have universal healthcare.[/quote]

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