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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm totally ok with us not bringing the European system here, FWIW.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/sports/soccer/clubs-apparel-neale-mcdermott-adidas.html

[quote]Last week, it emerged that Manchester City had paid the League One club Southend United 175,000 pounds (about $215,000) to sign Finley Burns, a 13-year-old defender.
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Or you can look at the 11-year-old washouts:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/sports/soccer/premier-league-youth-soccer.html

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So I don't have a problem with it, here's why.  The only kids taking those offers from adidas and Nike are the ones who along with their parents don't see a way out.  A kid here with middle-class parents wouldn't have to bother with deals from shoe companies to agree to anything because they for the most part don't need adidas and Nike to pay for any of their gear.  If you read the article through, at the end it says

*“They are doing what the clubs are doing and what the agents are doing,” Drummy said. “The deals aren’t anything massive, and they’re not at extortionate rates. They are casting the net and trying to bring in the talent.”

To many, the brands are a blessing. Their involvement can save the parents of young players, often from underprivileged backgrounds, hundreds of dollars a year.*

You know, although the case isn't similar, this reminds of the NBA in 2006 when they changed the rules to be eligible for the draft to essentially force all players play one year of college.  This was a boon for colleges and NCAA as they now had a right to claim more money for tv rights for players that were essentially ready for the pro's but needed to play for nothing as a slave and follow the archaic NCAA rules to be eligible to ply their trade.  Those players weren't interested in pursuing a college education and frankly didn't need one to try out for a sports team.  We woudln't hold back promising mechanics, carpenters, artists, from having to do one year of college before offering their services to the public, why should athletes have to do it.

Let Nike and adidas take bets on players, if they don't follow through, it will be their loss.  There isn't an adidas or Nike team.  By the way, look at YouTube and IG stars and SnapChat they're hawking products left and right and getting paid, no one is batting an eye at that because the private companies are free to pay who they want to pay for marketing.[/quote]

The disturbing part isn't so much the relatively trivial Adidas or Nike endorsements, it's the club payments and lockouts, and the way that kids are treated in that system.  I have no interest in moving to a system of de facto child labor just to produce a few soccer stars. No thanks. [/quote]

Yup, I agree.
Having a system that'll produce the best players and having a system that's the best for the players are two entirely different things. 
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ITA. Frankly I don't want to go to a system that produces the best players in the world. [/quote]

Actually you think of the best players in the world, follow through and you will see that they aren't coming from England, but from South America and South/Central/Western Europe.  I won't claim to know all the answers, but the way those academies for clubs and countries FA association training centers are structured are different than UK's.  England has the premier league with a lot of money from tv rights and merchandise which allows their teams to buy a lot of foreign players.   You look at the England MNT, it's garbage.

Ask yourselves, why aren't clubs like Bayern, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Dortmund, Atletico Madrid, Juventus, Napoli, PSG, buying players from the English teams that were trained in the English academies?[/quote]

You want to go to the South American system, where players are literally bought and sold by investors at a young age? No thanks.
As to your other point, the best English players tend to stay in England, just like the best Spanish players tend to stay in Spain. 
And yes, England might not be the best example per se, as your point about their national team is spot on, but England, Spain, Italy and France all have similar youth systems, and could have been in that NYT's article interchangeably. [/quote]

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