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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Oh, it's different today (alum who graduated almost 20 years ago and who interviewed until recently).

Your profile was top 10% of the student body. That left many spots for slightly less impressive but still quite talented kids.

Today your profile is middle of the pack. The space available for the slightly less impressive but still quite talented kids has shrunk enormously.

Part of it has to do with demographic changes and a growing population but not a growing number of colleges. Part of it has to do with the much greater % of international students on campus, reducing the space available for domestic applicants. Greater emphasis on diversity and racial quotas comes at the expense of "normal" white applicants.

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This is it. Schools like Harvard can be incredibly picky and so they are. It's not primarily about being a great student. If you're not a legacy you need to bring something unusual to the table for admission.  This might be URM or international status, or it might be low SES or an unusual story of challenge or disability. Just being a straight A white kid from the suburbs with perfect SATs isn't going to cut it.  Which means it's almost not worth worrying about a HYP admission for many kids, which is actually a good thing because there're are some many other great colleges out there. [/quote]

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