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[quote=Anonymous]Oh, it's different today (alum who graduated almost 20 years ago and who interviewed until recently).

Your profile was top 10% of the student body. That left many spots for slightly less impressive but still quite talented kids.

Today your profile is middle of the pack. The space available for the slightly less impressive but still quite talented kids has shrunk enormously.

Part of it has to do with demographic changes and a growing population but not a growing number of colleges. Part of it has to do with the much greater % of international students on campus, reducing the space available for domestic applicants. Greater emphasis on diversity and racial quotas comes at the expense of "normal" white applicants.

[quote=Anonymous]This profile isn't all that different from 20 years ago. When I got into H I had:
* 3 sports, captain in one, multiple year coach's award in another
* Major statewide competition winner 2 years running
* President of National Honor Society
* Class president
* Don't remember GPA, but it was good
* SAT: 800 V, 690 M, 800 W
* Founder of one school club, officer in others

The only thing I don't remember was counting community service hours. That seems new to me. Although if it had been a thing, I would have had a lot.

I know that admissions for HYPS+ have become somewhat more competitive. But I don't buy that it's an order of magnitude difference, or that "the profile" is an unreasonable or superhuman ask.[/quote][/quote]

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