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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm a Minister.  I'm working for Hospice now, but was in a church before we moved.  It's not easy for church leaders right now.  Thankfully, my church was very tolerant and fairly liberal.  LGBTQ friendly, diverse, open to discussions on different faiths, etc.  We spent a lot of time trying to live like the Christ we claimed to follow.  So, while I know we had members who were Republicans and conservative, I really doubt we had anyone in our membership who would support Donald Trump.

That said, ministers avoid politics in the pulpit.  For one, we risk our tax exempt status.  More importantly, ministers in church leadership positions should not be politicians.

I'm not working in a church right now. I can be very active in my local political groups.  And I am.  I've spoken at several marches and Interfaith Prayer Breakfasts.  I think clergy should be pointing out the hypocrisy of Christians turning away refugees.  And frankly, [b]if you support Donald Trump, you may claim to be a Christian, but you are behaving nothing at all like your Christ.[/b][/quote]

And you're a troll. No true Christian minister would make a statement like this, even anonymously.

P.S.  He's not "my Christ." He saved us all.[/quote]

First, I'm not a troll just because I believe our actions demonstrate our faith.  Faith without action is dead. Meaningless.

Second, I am at Prayer Breakfasts once a month with ministers from many faiths.  The only ones who don't have the [b]balls[/b] to call out Trump's behavior are the evangelical Southern Baptists. And honesty, I think they know.  They are just too scared to say it.  Religious leaders, including Christians, all over the world are condemning Trump's actions.

Third, you realize his name wasn't Jesus (first name) Christ (last name), right?  He is " your Christ".  As a Christian, he is my Christ.  My way shower.   But not everyone on this great big planet follows your spiritual path. So no. Not everyone believes he "saved" them.

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Nice language. Exactly what type of "minister" are you?[/quote]

One who despises hypocrisy.  Remember when Christ flipped over the tables?  At least I haven't thrown anything ....yet.[/quote]
But you're kind of a hypocrite yourself. You claim to love others, but you ascribe ill will to anyone who doesn't subscribe to your assessment of what is a complex situation that people of good will can approach from different perspectives. You have posted elsewhere that we all need to empathize and sympathize with others, but you refuse to do this when their politics don't align with yours.

As for Jesus turning over tables, that was something He did in the temple when people were profitting from the worship of God. He did this because He had the authority to, since He was God Himself. The allusion doesn't work so well applied to yourself. [/quote]

I'm not the minister PP. But I find it telling that all you guys are doing is attacking him for calling you out and not really questioning his assessment.

I would like you to point me to one single piece of scripture that implies that Jesus would turn away refugees. ONE line. It doesn't exist, it is antithetical to his entire stance. The bible doesn't talk about abortion. The closest it comes is to imply life starts when breath starts, that certainly isn't in line with what the church has determined. So you choose to be a single issue voter on something scripture does not specify in direct opposition to an issue that scripture is VERY VERY clear about. It is the central message of the bible and Jesus' teachings.

Explain to me not why you could't vote for HRC, not why Obama was bad, but how Trump was a Christian choice. You could have abstained if you felt there was no moral choice. But there is no reading of scripture compatible with the policies Trump has espoused. None.[/quote]

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