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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The US entered Syria several years after Syria Arab Spring uprisings fractured the country in a civil war, and the reason the US entered was as part of a multinational alliance to fight ISIS and protect people in areas that were well beyond the Assad regime's control.

Russia entered Syria to help their brutal dictator Assad slaughter dissident groups who did not want to be under his rule.  Nearly 90% of Syria's civilian deaths were at the hands of Assad, supported by Russia and Iran.  The next largest group of civilian casualties were inflicted by ISIS.  It's crystal clear who the bad guys have been - Syria, Russia, Iran and ISIS.[/quote]

ISIS is defeated so why is the US still there?

This has nothing to do with civilians, "brutal rule" or whatever.  This is a battle over who gets to lord over which country.

The US is strangely averse to anyone else having "spheres of influence" on the planet.  Only America is allowed to have influence. [/quote]

Aww you jealous?

But yes, it DOES have to do with brutal rule and murder of civilians.  I'll pick the lesser evil every time.  And over history, hands down that's been the US over Russia and the Soviet Union.[/quote]

Invasion of Iraq has been a lesser evil?

You're clearly an American who doesn't count dead brown non-Christian people.

Invasions are like abortions - only mine is a moral one.[/quote]

Dead brown non-Christian people apparently don't matter to brown non-Christian people, because the overwhelming majority of civilian deaths in Iraq were at the hands of terrorists and insurgents.  So by your logic, if I don't care about them then I'm clearly not an American but instead, a brown non-Christian person.[/quote]

Analysis of the Iraq War Logs dataset from Wikileaks reveals that the US was responsible for 5% of civilian deaths in Iraq. Compare that to 80% of civilian deaths being at the hands of Assad and Russia in Syria, followed by ISIS for most of the rest.  https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1067&context=jpur

THAT is a perfect example of why your "well the US does x so Russia should be allowed, too" logic is a complete failure.  [/quote]

As many as 10,000 non-combatant civilian deaths during 2003 have been reliably reported so far as a result of the US/UK-led invasion and occupation of Iraq . These reports provide figures which range between a minimum of 8,235 and a maximum of 10,079 as of Saturday 7th February 2004.

That's just one year. https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/beyond/ten-thousand/

Let's also not forget the decimation of Iraqi civilian infrastructure and healthcare, already weakened by years of sanctions.  How many civilians have died because they couldn't get to the hospital, because there WAS no hospital or because the hospital had no relief to give them due to sanctions? How many life-saving medications were denied to the Iraqi civilians "because Saddam"?

But yeah.  The only moral invasion is my invasion.  [/quote]

Sanctions, sanctions, sanctions.  Don't like sanctions?  Then don't be an a-hole.

And for that death count, that "ten thousand in the first year alone" was out of 210,000.  That's right - the remaining 200,000 civilian casualties were NOT inflicted by the US, and numerous analyses show this, including the paper above.  The invasion took from March 20th 2003 to April 15th, 2003.  After that, there were no more sanctions and the US spent billions upon billions building hospitals, providing supplies and rebuilding destroyed and failed infrastructure.

And, the US didn't just run around shelling village after village, just because.  That's Russia.  The US wasn't responsible for most of the civilian casualties.  That's Russia.  The US didn't go around intentionally attacking hospitals, schools, residential buildings - that's Russia.  Again, compare 80-90% of civilian casualties at the hands of Russia in their typical military operations to less than 5% at the hands of the US in their typical military operations.  Night and day difference.  Undeniable.  Stop with the "both sides" and "yabut they did it too" on this because it's utterly ludicrous for you to do so and the data does not back you up.[/quote]

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