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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The positions they were found in could suggest heatstroke if the day went something like this- They start out on early hike and underestimate how hot it is going to get. They hike the easier part of trail first and then are getting worn out more quickly than usual. He is bigger than her and taller and was carrying baby and had dog/leash attached to him. He is exerting more energy and his body is heating up faster than hers. They could have been out longer because maybe at some point baby was fussy and they took baby out to cuddle or snuggle and were just sitting in heat longer. Or they let dog off leash and exerted more energy because dog wandered off. At some point they are on harder part of trail and he is not feeling well and says he needs to sit down. Dog/leash still attached to him. Mom goes over to him and takes baby out of carrier  and attends to baby while she is waiting for her husband to feel better. Now he has no shade so his body keeps heating up rapidly and he has heat stroke and is dying. Meanwhile mom is in the same baking sun attending to baby , waiting for her husband to feel better and she starts to feel unwell. Her body is now heating up and she is panicked and starting to have signs of confusion. She can’t even hold baby anymore so she puts baby down next to husband and tries to get up and walk towards car and now she collapses from heatstroke and dies. Baby and dog will both die of heatstroke because dog is attached to dad and baby is helpless. This could have happened. But LE can’t know for sure until they rule out all other possibilities - toxins/drugs/MS/etc.[/quote]

The baby was in the backpack, which was stood on the trail.

This strikes me as so strange. If the baby was in distress or even dead, I would imagine they would take her out.  If she was suffering from heat, those nylon carriers are super hot. She was next to Jon but he was not wearing the backpack when he died.

If it was FA I think it would be her, he was, by all accounts, very attached to the baby. [/quote]

Maybe mom took the carrier of her husband when she realized he was too sick to get back up. Maybe mom holding baby for a while while her husband was getting worse instead of better and then mom put baby back in carrier intending to carry baby  to get help but then mom was feeling sick and confused and just starting walking but collapsed. Going from heat illness to death or collapse can happen quickly. I think where she was found suggests she tried to get help but collapsed and then died. She probably did not intend to leave baby but was confused caused by heat illness. She may not have died immediately but could have passed out. Lying in baking sun will lead to death.[/quote]

What? Come on.  [/quote]

DP and this makes way more sense than any of those poison canteen water theories. If you read the earlier posts in the thread, dogs can get heat stroke very quickly. The dog probably was ill or died before the people, and they were carrying him on the trail. That's why they were all still together. Heat stroke in humans can also come on very quickly and by the time they realize they're having problems, they can't even move. [/quote]

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