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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I didn't think we were here to argue about doctrine, gay marriage, etc. What I find incredibly destructive and shallow is the attitude on Jens part that "Oh, I changed my mind on this issue because of deep, intense Biblical study ( and also because my daughter is gay) , and now everyone who still thinks like I did last week is hateful, anti Jesus, ad infinitum....

It's really the new puritanism. And less believable from someone who sells stuff in between snippets of politically correct instruction.

This is why I call Jen the totalitarian social media influencer. Not only are we told what to wear, what to buy, how to vacation, how to cook, how to do ( or undo) marriage, but we are told what we should think and believe. Total conformity. That's where she is dangerous. The Pioneer Woman sells a lifestyle, good recipes, and a darn good restaurant in Oklahoma. There is no litmus test of political or religious belief to get in. All are welcome.[/quote]

This is not true, though. She didn’t have a scorched earth mentality about people who were not yet affirming. The text of her Facebook post can be found here: https://nerdywordybirdy.blog/2016/11/11/discussion-lifeways-decision-to-pull-jen-hatmakers-products/ and the most she does is encourage people to think about the real-life LGBTQ+ people who will read their comments and responses. She’s quite gracious. I can’t find it at the moment, but she also explicitly said “To those still wrestling with issue, I affirm your good will.”

Of course she became angrier at injustice between 2016 and now. That’s the case for a lot of us who feel like our faith communities abandoned the teachings and example of Jesus for political expediency.

As for “all being welcome,” check out the paradox of tolerance. The position of denying basic human rights to whole groups of people literally can’t be tolerated if one’s goal is equality and dignity. It’s okay to be intolerant of intolerance. Where people are honestly learning and growing about an issue, it should be done with love and some sense of patience, yes. But not complacency to injustice.

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Honest question here, I promise. I do not mean this as a “gotcha” or argumentative in any way.  I’m just seeking to learn more.
You stated here that basic human rights are being denied to whole groups of people. I assume you are referring to LGBTQ based on the thread. Re-reading through the comments, it seems like the issue being debated is whether or not this is considered a “sin”. For those with a traditional, biblical belief system, I think the answer is yes. So the basic human right being denied is - whether or not someone thinks someone else is going to heaven (or hell)? I’m genuinely confused. It seems as though the demand here is for people to alter their personal beliefs to assure someone else is “ok”. It seems strange. I consider myself a “sinner”. Whether or not you believe I am going to heaven (or hell) is of no consequence to me. [/quote]

There are a few ways to look at this. The larger issue is lack of separation of church and state. Many people who didn’t want to support Trump did so because he promised to further blur these lines. On a more individual level, the way church leaders, parents, grandparents, ect… feel, express, and respond to LGBTQ people and issues has an immediate and often profound impact on the LGBTQ people in their lives. It’s harmful. LGBTQ youth are four times more likely to attempt suicide than their peers. I appreciate the ways in which Jen has addressed this—personally and politically. I think she damages her image with the incessant sales pitches and over sharing about her love life and, to an extent, parenting (or lack thereof). [/quote]

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