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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Mariposa has a population of less than 2,000 and they were not even that close to the town.

I think he actually liked it there, he had been buying property there long before Ellen.

But for covid, not sure their lifestyle would have changed so suddenly and radically.

I wonder if he had kids from his prior marriage that he wanted to be closer to?

30 is young for a mom in SF, I doubt many of their burner friends were having families yet.

She looked really different in the 1 year photos.

Many who are drawn to study counseling are trying to figure out their family of origin or own deep seated mental health problems.

[b]In more populated areas, moms with potential PPD would be encouraged to connect and socialize with other moms of babies, [/b]the median age in Mariposa is in their 50s and it was a 20 mile drive. The whole set up sounds really difficult. Maybe the idea of another winter there seemed like too much, so isolated. And if Jon was very doting with the baby, she may have felt jealous or left out. I have seen that happen.

Not many places for "date nights" or to dj. I assume they would avoid SF b/c baby and covid. I imagine his apartment there was rented out.

I still think it could have been accidental, but risk taking/dopamine chasing played a role and the extreme heat had to be a factor, even if it was one of several. [/quote]

That's nonsense.  All of your post is pure speculation but that part is nonsense.  [/quote]

Are you a parent? Or are you one of the true crime types who has descended on this parenting board?

Social support is very important for new moms, esp new moms who are struggling. Your ignorance is troubling.

https://www.postpartumdepression.com/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201301/new-moms-need-social-support

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC4720860/

https://www.medibank.com.au/livebetter/families/new-parents/the-hidden-benefits-of-mothers-groups/

Being very socially isolated is not healthy. In fact, isolating is a common sign of depression. https://publichealth.tulane.edu/blog/effects-of-social-isolation-on-mental-health/[/quote]

I think she wants to argue.  If she finds the discussion upsetting, idk why she reads.  
Thank you for informative links.

As far as isolation there really was no way for a pregnant woman to avoid it in the midst of a global pandemic.  That had to be difficult, probably months passed with no socialization other than online.  Any outings probably consisted of seeing her doctor and doula.  [/quote]

NP but I think the poster above was just saying it’s “nonsense” that in more populated areas you can automatically expect moms w PPD to be directed to support groups or mom groups. Like it’s a given that anyone w potential PPD would find the support they need if they live in a city vs in a rural area. The reality is people suffer w PPD no matter where they live although it does make finding support easier if you live in a place w a wider network of people/resources. [/quote]

Whether people find support is individual but any large city is more likely to have more new moms than an extremely rural area with a median age in the 50s. The town of Mariposa was 20 miles away with a population of 1,800, yes, under 2k. How many new moms do you think are there vs. in SF? The median age in Mariposa is over 50, so, how many new moms? How many activities for babies and parents where they might connect with others in the same life transition in Mariposa, 20 miles away, vs in SF? Rural life is isolating in part because there are a lot fewer people at way less density. It also tends to be a place without newcomers, so making friends might be more difficult than a transient place like DC. But, can't connect with other new moms if there literally are none. Cv closures likely did not help. [/quote]

Excellent points.
I hope nothing was wrong in their personal lives and it was as good as people believe.  Real friendship takes time to develop.  Ellen might have had people to socialize with that she really wouldn’t consider friends.  I think she’d have little in common with people in Mariposa.

A friend sent me a video of her first granddaughter taking her first steps today, she shared a bday with Ellen’s baby.  It made me wonder if she ever got to take that first step…😥. 
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I will say I really don't know what happened, but I can see this could be related to Ellen and I sort of "get it" in terms of being wildly unhappy on her part. As a PP said, Ellen was a pretty young mom for a "city girl" with a guy almost 15 years older than her. I think it is not out of the realm of possibility this could have been an accidental pregnancy, one which he (in his 40s) was super psyched about and that she had hesitations about. Their relationship moved quickly and they mostly had fun times traveling and partying, but with the pregnancy, sh+t got real. Add in moving to the middle of nowhere, a traumatic brain injury on her part (with accompanying emotional issues, possibly), being COVID isolated, and possible PPD? That does not sound great. As PPs mentioned, if it is true that she mostly slept the day away with a nanny onsite and a house manager (?) while the father was called out for being very very involved? I would not accuse her of a crime but it does seem she had a lot to be unhappy about. [/quote]

Absolutely!  It appears the father wasted no time relocating them away from Sf and might have felt it best to remove E from city temptations.  Idk if she slept or didn’t sleep, I do consider perhaps she wasn’t overly maternal and J employed a nanny as backup during his work hours.  
Like someone posted yesterday, we don’t even know if the baby was alive when they left for the forest.  No one has mentioned seeing the family Saturday.  We know from media reports Friday J did run some errands and had the baby in the museum  I don’t know if E was with them, the museum owner commented about J explaining exhibits to his little girl.  Maybe they had a daddy-daughter day out?  It is all very weird.  [/quote]

[b]But wasn’t she taking classes to earn another degree so she needed childcare for that?[/b] I assume she was worn out from the baby and also taking classes. The above PPs make it sound like she was doing nothing but hanging out in the house sleeping all day. I’m not saying it must have been heatstroke, but I don’t think having a nanny makes it more likely that it was FA, either. [/quote]

Someone posted the curriculum pages back and it was [i]maybe[/i] and hour or two a day of work, not something that would require full time childcare by most people's standards.[/quote]

Yes, but it can be hard to find childcare for just an hour a day. And she may have wanted more help with housework or watching the baby especially given her health issues. [/quote]

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