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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]WTF. What kind of modern army shoots [i]civilians trying to flee[/i]? I guess I shouldn't be surprised since Zelenskyy reported that the Russians were deliberately targeting civilian areas and blowing up apartment buildings like terrorists.

So the Russian soldiers are incompetent fools who don't know how to coordinate an attack effectively, [i]and[/i] they're war criminals who senselessly murder families?

Why is Zelenskyy showing mercy to these guys and letting them call their moms in Russia?[/quote]

This is not ethnic cleansing type of conflict..[/quote]

Yet.  There was that whole "final solution" to the "ukrainian problem" rhetoric from the accidentally posted victory statement and the question of the mobile crematoriums.  If they thought this was going to be a quick cakewalk then those crematoriums weren't for their troops.[/quote]

Ethnic cleansing involves either/or:
1. Massacre. Force hundreds into building mass graves and shoot them into it.
2. Systematic rape as a weapon, to birth the victor's children.

It was implemented in the Bosnian wars. 
It has been implemented in nearly every uncontrolled, large scale conflict.

It's the ugliest and most horrific crime against humanity.

I fervently hope we will not see any of that in Ukraine. I do not think so, because ethnic cleansing is reserved for when warring factions are of different ethnicities and "othering" each other. In this conflict, the aggressors look like the victims. Indeed, Russians were witnessed phoning home complaining they didn't know who to shoot, since everyone looked like them. A lot of Ukrainians speak Russian. This may be what saves us from the worst.

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You don’t really understand the term ethnic cleansing.  The term did come from the Bosnian war when the Bosnian Serb leadership used a word “cleansing” to describe operations that would remove all Bosnians from certain parts of Bosnia. Massacres and rape can be a tool to accomplish that, but ethnic cleansing can be done without those specific acts.  For example, indiscriminate shelling of the civilian population that forces them to flee a region is also a tool of ethnic cleansing.  So is using “humanitarian evacuations” to remove the population from a region.

Ethnic cleansing is a descriptive term, not a legal term.  War crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide are the legal terms that are prosecuted.  Ukraine definitely has war crimes and crimes against humanity. Putin seems to be setting the stage for genocide - mass shelling of population, getting population to flee from the east and south, extermination of political opposition, probably no Ukrainian language and not allowing the state of Ukraine to exist and just making it part of Russia.  That would fit with “intent to destroy in whole or in part” the definition of genocide.

FWIW, Putin is definitely “othering” Ukrainians - accusing them of being Nazis and saying that they refuse to allow Russian culture and language (both untrue).  You don’t have to look different to “other” someone.  Frankly, in Bosnia, Serbs, Croats and Bosnians look very similar until you ask their name or their religion.   [/quote]

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