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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's not a matter of discrediting him, so much as refusing to honor someone who waged war against our country.  How on earth is that debatable?  [/quote]
You are very black and white.  If you can not understand and therefore appreciate the intricacies of a civil war than I guess you would not be able to debate it.[/quote]

Yeah I am black and white when it come to people shooting at my countrymen. Guilty as charged.

And got the record this secession wasn't even about the right of the south to own slaves or make a living off of slave labor.  It was about the extension of slavery into new territories. [/quote]
All I can say is perhaps you need to, with an open mind, reread what lead up to the civil war.

Here's a starter read - http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war[/quote]

This is our nation's history.  The idea that you are going to give me an internet link and tell me to read up is somewhat laughable.  I am an educated adult.  I can't even count the number of books that I have read about the civil war.   On the causes of the civil war I have read wilson, Rhodes, Beard.  I have read them debate on whether the war was an issue of moral, socio-cultural, or economic conflict.   I have read the revisionists and their discussion of whether war was inevitable or not.

But the bottom line is always this: all interpretations hinge on the issue of slavery.  And the trigger was over the extension of slavery into the westward expansion.  I do not care whether the North was morally superior on the issue of slavery, or whether they had the luxury of condemning a system upon which they did not depend.  I don't care whether the south was conflicted about slavery and economically dependent, or whether they were stridently racist.

What I do care about is this: the South chose to secede and to go to war to defend their system.  They chose the system over the Union.  And that was undeniably wrong.  [/quote]

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