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[quote=Anonymous]Let's unpack the next batch of your...stuff.

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Here's the problem, though. You say the discussion has always been about the extent of that improvement. However, if you judge the extent of that improvement by the practice of Islam by so called Muslim countries today, you will inevitably misinterpret Islam, because as I have stated several times, the condition and treatment of women has deteriorated since the Prophets death, and Muslim countries have reverted back to almost pre islamic times. Hence, your mistake is that to understand the effectiveness of Islam, you are looking at current Muslim society. And you make this make repeatedly through hundreds of posts. [/quote]
No, I never use current Muslim-majority societies for proof, I only look at the rule and scripture.  If you want to have a discussion on why Muslims failed to leverage Islam to create enviable societies, that's a very interesting subject, and you're welcome to open a new thread on that.

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Moreover, what you just wrote was an outright lie. You stated (if it was, in fact, you or another islamophobe) that the Jahiliyah is a bit of a farce, created by the imaginations of Muslims to persuade the world that Islam elevated the status of women. You used Khadija, the rich merchant wife of the Prophet, to show pre islamic women did have rights and were not living in an age of ignorance or darkness. Now that I have provided the evidence of several renowned religious scholars whose assertion directly contradict your opinion, the goal posts have suddenly moved…again. Now you allege you never denied the status of women was improved by Islam, but were always focused on whether it improved it enough. [/quote]
Leila Ahmed agrees with me.  You brought the guy funded by Al-Saud.

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You then allege there isn't enough evidence of the jahiliyah period. However, these religious scholars concluded that there was indeed a period of time Arabs refer to as the Jahiliyah and it was a time of hedonism and ignorance. [/quote]
Don't be ridiculous - of course there was a period of time before Islam, it's not like Muhammad jump-started time.  The name for that period is a branding effort spearheaded by Muslims, and its characterization as the time of hedonism and ignorance is questionable.  Of course they were ignorant of Islam, but they were also ignorant of X-files, nuclear fusion and everything that was to come in the future, so I don't think you can hang your argument on that peg.

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They all concluded that Islam did indeed greatly improve the status of women.[/quote]

No, not all.

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You then alleged that all these scholars simply relied on the Quran for the basis of their opinion and regurgitated information from the Quran. Renowned religious scholars (historians, archeologists) do not assume the truth of religious text. They look for corroborating evidence. [/quote]

It is custom in scholarly writing to present your corroborating evidence rather than pump your chest, say "I'm a famous scholar" and assume people will believe you.

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For example, Arabs wrote quite a bit of poetry and their pre islamic poetry was full of lustful descriptions of amorous encounters, adultery, and fornication. This is simply one example of the type of hedonism during the pre-islamic, jahilyah period. You are naive to assume you know how they came to their conclusions.[/quote]

I DON"T know how they came to their conclusion - it's their job to demonstrate that, not mine.  I already shared with you my opinion on the value of lustful descriptions and amorous encounters. They aren't a bad thing. And neither is hedonism. 
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