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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Y'all can argue about what a good idea this shit is all you want but I am EAGERLY looking forward to the day when y'all try to implement this bullshit.  I will definitely be taking a day off and sitting my ass in front of the television as soon as word breaks that welfare recipients must be sterilized - you thought them riots after the Rodney King verdict was bad?  Sheeeeiiiiit...lol[/quote]

Good lord.  Will people stop talking about sterilization.  No one is saying that![/quote]

That's the problem. The people who are all in favor of this idea haven't thought it through. You've latched onto an inaccurate talking point and you're proposing a "cure" for a mostly non-existent problem without thinking about how it would work or the consequences.

So, let's assume there is a rampant problem of "welfare moms" out there just having babies to improve their lifestyle because of all the money they're going to get from the government (there isn't but y'all seem to believe there is). You want to discourage this. Let's play out the options:

At the extreme, do you require a woman to go on birth control (with regular medical checkups to confirm compliance) or do you require reversible sterilization? Do you require the men to get reversible vasectomies? Presumably if you just sterilize the men on welfare, then the welfare moms would only be getting pregnant from fathers who could afford the child support. Do you have any idea whether the cost of all of those medical procedures outweighs the supposed cost of supporting all those extra children? Do you require forced abortions for cases where the birth control or sterilization procedure failed, or do you just require the woman to carry it to term and then give it up for adoption?

If you're not going to require sterilizations/birth control, do you make it illegal to have children while receiving welfare? If so, what is the punishment for the mothers who do so? What about the fathers? Should it be a criminal offense, or just a civil one, bearing in mind that the people who are subject to these rules don't have the money to pay fines, anyway.

So, if it's not illegal, but a condition of continuing to receive benefits is that you don't have any more children, how do you handle cases of rape/sexual abuse? What if people are legitimately using birth control and it fails (among other things because some nice, devoutly religious people insisted on abstinence only sex ed in schools so the people who need it most actually don't know [b]how[/b] to use the birth control properly)? If they have a baby while on welfare, do you cut off all the funds supporting them and their existing children, or do you just say "No additional money" Do you deny the mothers pre-natal education and care, increasing the likelihood of expensive medical complications or a special needs baby that will cost more to support? Do you then deny the new baby early nutritional support, increasingly the likelihood that the child will be developmentally disabled? How about school? If a baby was born to "welfare parents" should the child be denied access to public school education, too? After all the parents are unlikely to be paying property taxes to support the public school system.

One PP asked when the cycle would end. The best way to keep the cycle going is to increase the poverty level, deny benefits to children and push them into even worse poverty. To break the cycle you have to make the investment in the next generation and provide the resources and education and support that will help people break the cycle of poverty. 
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