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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back.  Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide.  Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity.  She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things.  The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that. [/quote]

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful [/quote]

^ leave him I mean. She was mentally ill not a DA victim  [/quote]

Bruises all over her body on various stages of healing. Told her parents she wanted to move home. You don’t know the facts of the case. [/quote]

You are histrionic.

She had a few bruises on her body. Right now I have a few bruises on my body. I’m not a victim of DA. She was an elementary school teacher. There was no indication there were DA bruises. Do you really think you know more than the medical examiners?

She was struggling and overwhelmed working and couldn’t handle life. She wasn’t moving home to get away from her fiancé.

I appreciate it’s more exciting to think it was some big coverup, but unfortunately this was just a sad case of a woman with mental health issues having a psychotic breakdown [/quote]

She had over 30 bruises, not a few. Why comment if you don’t know the facts of the case? This isn’t exciting. You’re disgusting for even saying that. This poor woman needs justice.  Look at her injuries. Occam’s Razor will tell you she didn’t take her own life. Maybe her fiance didn’t kill her, but someone did.   [/quote]

You should go back to reddit with the conspiracy obsession. Multiple trained investigators, including two ME, found that she committed suicide. Her parents sued everyone and got their due process- another investigation. And still… suicide. How much poor tax payer money has to be spent bc they can’t accept reality?

Btw I don’t think you know what Occam’s razor means. She was depressed and anxious, she was alone, (footage and text messages etc support that she was alone, the door was locked from the inside), she had hesitation wounds and no defensive wounds, two ME and investigations found it was suicide. … That would imply it was a suicide. [/quote]

So the ME originally found it was a homicide, based on her injuries. It was later changed to suicide with no full explanation, but reference to some things that turned out to be false (e.g., her fiancé was accompanied back to the door with someone when he supposedly broke it down). Why would unfounded things like this change the finding of an autopsy? Additionally, we only have the fiancé’s word for so much of this, including that she was alive when he went to the gym, that he had to break the door down, etc. Why are people so willing to instantly believe him? What’s a simpler explanation, that she killed herself in an exceedingly rare and essentially physically impossible way or that she was murdered? I think it’s you that doesn’t understand Occam’s Razor. [/quote]

No, it was originally suicide on the day it happened. Then changed to homicide. Then investigated and found to be suicide.

And then investigated again. Again suicide.

The cameras and texts support his timeline.  She was depressed and on new meds and acting crazy as reported by multiple people. Unfortunately people commit suicide.

Have you read the 32 page ME report? A professional whose job this is found it to be suicide. But they’re wrong and you’re right? [/quote]

There were no cameras in their actual apartment.  And she didn’t send a text after the time her fiance left. We have no idea if she was alive when he left. [b]The only thing that supports his timeline is his word.[/b] I agree with the PP, you don’t know what you’re talking about. [/quote]

Seems like you don’t have your facts straight. Cameras showed him downstairs in the gym, getting in and out of the elevator etc.

He then broke the door down bc it was locked from the inside.

He called 911 right afterwards.

How was the door locked from the inside? Please explain this

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[b]He claims he broke the door down.[/b] That’s not on video and no one was with him when he did. He called several of his family members before he called 911. Please stop commenting when you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. [/quote]

Well the door was broken down, and the latch broken from the outside. He did this after discussing with the security guard and other building staff who recommended he do this bc he couldn’t get in. There was no other way to get in, and the evidence showed there had been no other access, the balcony was undisturbed etc.

He didn’t call his family before he called 911. I think that’s wrong but if it’s not. Link please [/quote]

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