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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For the record, I don’t think most American surrogates are poor. They are usually women who had easy pregnancies and births and see it as nbd to do another one, help a family and make money in the process. A win win for everyone involved — that is, until something goes wrong. I only point this out because everyone seems to be equating “surrogate” with “poor person.”

And let’s also remember that gay men use surrogates too and it works well for a lot of families who have no other way of having biological kids. I would hate to think a loving gay couple couldn’t work with a surrogate and have a bio kid, with the right protection in place for both sides of the agreement.[/quote]

Whatever you need to tell yourself to whitewash the exploitation of women through surrogacy, which is otherwise recognized worldwide. You are telling yourself a myth, not unlike the myth of the saintly relinquishing mother in adoptive circles. Doesn’t it bother you even the slightest that the country with the worst maternal health outcomes is also literally the only one that permits commercial surrogacy? Do you consider yourself otherwise in favor of women’s health and safety? Doesn’t it bother you at all that this is seen as explicit exploitation globally?

As for gay men, well that is just business as as usual: when the desires of men conflict with the health and wellbeing of women, men prevail. Men being gay doesn’t give them a free pass to exploit women. [/quote]

Other countries permit altruistic surrogacy, so there is obviously some general consensus that it is not an absurdly risky and unreasonable thing to do. Thus, it is not as black and white as you would like it to be.

Are you saying I can’t be in favor of women’s health while also seeing there are positive outcomes possible for surrogacy? I don’t think it is worth engaging with such rigid thinking.[/quote]

The comment above was about commercial surrogacy, not altruistic surrogacy, and you avoided all the questions so I will ask again:

- Doesn’t it bother you even the slightest that the country with the worst maternal health outcomes is also literally the only one that permits commercial surrogacy? 
- Do you consider yourself otherwise in favor of women’s health and safety? 
- Doesn’t it bother you at all that this* is seen as explicit exploitation globally?

* “This” being commercial surrogacy. [/quote]

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