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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Parents of athletic boys aren’t struggling, nor are the boys. Sun, fresh air and exercise work wonders.[/quote]

Correct. Boys that are raised to be masculine are thriving. Boys raised to be something else, usually by a woman who calls masculinity “toxic,” are struggling.

It’s funny but my girlfriends who married masculine guys have great families overall. My girlfriends who married less masculine men are more likely to be divorced or unhappy with their lot. It’s sad to see those unhappy women try to make their sons feminine because it will end poorly for all involved.

Relatedly, raising daughters to be masculine isn’t helping bring the next generation into the world. We just need to be honest about the innate differences. [/quote]

Considering the post you quoted, it sounds like you’re equating athleticism and exercise with masculinity. Do
you think that athletics and exercise benefit girls as well? Or do you think that their “innate differences” mean they should never be seen sweating? Back to diet pills and cigarettes to keep the girlish figure?[/quote]

Two issues. First, I think girls should do athletics for health. The teamwork lessons are valuable for women just like men. I was a college athlete so I’m biased.

Second, I don’t think athletic success is feminine. We all know that being a good athlete is an attractive quality women desire in a man. There are evolutionary reasons why. In my youth, men liked the way I looked because I was fit, but not one, other maybe than DH, cared about my athletic abilities. And DH would say he only cared because it made it more likely our DSs would be good athletes themselves. So in that sense, I see strong athleticism as a masculine trait in men and neutral in women. [/quote]

Do you think that girls should be educated, or is academic success also a masculine trait? [/quote]

We have educated women for decades. What do you think has happened to innovation and academic freedom during that period? The moral argument is separate from the impacts, which most want to ignore. Ignoring problems is how we got the orange clown.

I know many brilliant and highly educated women. They have few children. How is that good for civilization to have so much talent not reproduce? Further, the ones who are reproducing are married to cavemen. I don’t think this ends the way people here might expect.

As a society, we have made choices that make it harder for boys. Many here think those costs are worth it, but I caution we should acknowledge the costs to discuss the tradeoffs. [/quote]

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