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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Eh, I think birth rates are a better proxy for the health of a society as it measures optimism in industrialized societies with choices. The US wins — although not great. Happiness metrics are biased. You can argue life expectancy — but lower life expectancy in the US has little to do with work life balance. In fact, working longer can keep you mentally sharp and alive. [/quote]

This isn’t true anymore.  France and some Scandinavian countries are now higher and US is generally the same as most other 1st world European countries (though Bulgaria is the highest).

The Europe rates are actually heading up while the US continues to decline.  It’s much cheaper to be a parent in Europe with generous maternity/paternity, free healthcare, free pre school, etc.

[b]Honestly, best thing you could do is get a transfer to a European country when you are having kids and stay through like 6 and then move back to the states.[/b][b]  You qualify for all those benefits as long as you have all the proper work visas.[/quote]

No way. I’d make 50% less on average in a European country.  Instead of five months of leave for each kid, I’d earn a year. You still are going back to work at the one year mark. Financially it doesn’t make sense.

If you don’t want to work the best option is to be in the US with a husband who can support the family on one salary.

The truth is that most American women don’t want long maternity leaves or subsidized daycare…they want to stay home and a husband who earns sufficient wages to support a family. [/quote]

wtf are you talking about you would make 50% less…I said a transfer (which could mean the European office of an American company BTW).  You aren’t getting a 50% pay cut for a transfer.

Also, very few US companies provide particularly good maternity benefits.

Finally, what stupid f**king advice to just find someone else to support you.  If now we are in fantasy land…marry a Rockefeller or a Walton  et al.[/quote]
+1 lol 
Most women aren't marrying rich men. Most working moms are better off in western Europe with their generous maternity leave than the US.[/quote]

Except salaries are so much higher here that you could marry any man with a decent earning job and stay home if you really wanted to do so. Instead of forcing all women to return to work at six months, one year through government welfare programs.

This is going to go over your head, but the average American woman doesn’t want paid leave. She wants to drop out of the workforce while she has young children.

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The average American in general wants to drop out of the workforce if they can afford it.

Also, I know some wealthy women that can hire multiple Nannie’s and they far prefer to keep working vs just staying home all day, especially when the kids are say 0-3.

That is what the everyone wants…not necessarily to work but to have FT help that handles all the shit work of parenting and is available 25/7.

[b]BTW, the Median HHI in the US is $75k…and you have to deduct taxes, plus health insurance premiums, and pay for your healthcare deductible and pay for childcare and save for your college and your own retirement.

The median European household income is 56,000 Euros = $64,400.[/b]  So even though taxes are higher, you don’t have to save nearly as much because healthcare is free, college is free or nearly free, etc.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/725764/oecd-household-disposable-income-per-capita/

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