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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program[/quote]

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
•  1995: 452,635
•  2000: 514,723
•  2005: 564,766
•  2010: 723,277
•  2015: 1,043,839
•  2020: 914,095
•  2023: 1,057,188[/quote]

That's bananas[/quote]

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population?  College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors. [/quote]

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.[/quote]

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here.  However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.[/quote]

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

[b]Universities are here to educate humans, [/b]wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

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Citation from a reputable source?  Plus, we are talking about universities, not 4 year colleges, technical schools, community colleges, etc.

I disagree with the bolded.  My tax dollars in the university system should go ENTIRELY  to Americans and I will advocate for that and vote my conscience every time.[/quote]

Best hope you or a loved one don't get cancer or other disease and the best treatment was developed in the lab of a foreign born principal investigator and mixed-birth researchers. Idiot. DARWIN applauds you. Stay proud as you let them die.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7489249/

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Your link perfectly illustrates what I was saying.  Immigrants come here and take American students spots in American tax supported universities.  Then they go on to get plumb jobs instead of Americans.  Then they make the breakthroughs that Americans have traditionally made and will continue to make given more opportunities for Americans.  Perfect illustration of what people are talking about.[/quote]

Do you ever say that a star high school basketball player should be given the same chance as Kobe?  No?  It’s because you know that there is genius and not everyone is equal.  The same is absolutely true of scientific researchers.  Sure some Americans are going to rise to the top.  But we are less than 5% of the world population.  Our “brain drain” policies have concentrated really smart people in the US - through our university system.  It is the heart of the US innovation system.

10% of undergrads are foreign. And those kids are for the most part not being subsidized by the US taxpayer.  What those kids are doing is making ten value of the elite school undergrad degree more prestigious for all that have it.  It does mean that 10% fewer Americans get in.

Grad school and govt funded research is a whole other thing. We don’t have enough US STEM students interested in going on to PhDs.  So we get foreign students.  And we also try to get the cream of the crop. The whole enterprise is about to collapse by the twin attacks on university research and international student visas. We want to kill US innovation and encourage US trained scientists to leave the US? Couldn’t have developed a better plan. And who is rejoicing? China - who has been mad about the brain drain to the US for a long time. But also our allies are hoping to scoop up talent.  So so short sighted. [/quote]

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