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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It’s because Ukraine is about more than Ukraine. It’s about a larger strategy/outcome. You would think that should include the EU, but Trump doesn’t currently see them as his equal. However, France is trying to coordinate an EU perspective. [b]Trump, Putin, and Xi want to carve up the world into power blocs. So, if Trump acquiesces to Russia on Ukraine, what will Russia help the US get? Maybe Greenland.[/b] [/quote]

This is the answer. [/quote]

But why cut Russia in on that? Russia is not a world power. Why would Russia have any say over Greenland? The closest Russian territory to Greenland is farther away than New York is from Los Angeles.

Greenland will be covered in ice for 500 years. The arctic will not be ice free year round for 75-100 years. You would need 50 nuclear powered icebreakers to maintain an open channel during winter. No one has that.

Just because Trump mumbles something about Greenland does not mean it actually makes sense. Just like surrendering to the Russian in Ukraine. [/quote]

It doesn’t matter if it’s Greenland or Canada or something else. What these guys are agreeing to is the notion that large powers have the “right” to take neighbors. They may do so for national security, natural resources, or whatever. But, each major power gets a regional bloc to themselves that the others agree to not contest. Russia will get back the Soviet Union states. USA takes Greenland, Canada, Panama Canal, etc. if you don’t believe me, there’s a new NYT editorial discussion about this. [/quote]

Russia is not a major power. The EU is a major power. Russia will lose any war with Europe. Europe will also buy and integrate the Turks.

This is a dumb and unrealistic strategy. Maybe The NY Times editorial board should actually look at the facts. If Europe increases spending to 4% of GDP that is a trillion dollars defense budget. That is 1/2 of the GDP of Russia and the Russian can’t even build out fight aircraft. Trump wants to reduce defense spend by 50 billion a year for the next 4 years. That means the US will have 1/2 the defense budget of the EU. The US will have to reduce ships, tanks and planes to meet that budget. The US will not be able to project power without European military bases.

Let’s play your scenario out.

The major powers are US(30 trillion GDP), EU(including UK 23 trillion GDP) and China(19 trillion GDP). Russian(2.1 trillion) is not in the top 10. If we live in a Major Power world why would the EU(and UK) not assert their regional bloc? Russia would lose eastern territories to China and western territories to the EU. So no the New York Times editorial board scenario is not backed up by the facts on the ground. [/quote]

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