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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Posters keep saying 'demonstrate interest' as if most ambitious students don't know/ don't do that. These kids are clicking on emails daily and keeping zoom sessions running while they watch Game of Thrones.

This is the hoop jumping generation. Yield protectors may be able to eliminate a small minority of applicants with this hurdle, but I can't imagine it's that useful to them.  The mid-tier schools make educated guesses about which students will be accepted at higher tier schools, and reject or WL them.

Since just about every private mid-tier school yield protects, it seems, the only way to avoid them is make sure to apply to at least one large public?[/quote]

Yup!  A good example is case western.  The campus is filled with kids who all applied to several "higher ranked schools" and would be attending those schools had they been admitted.  Some years, Case pulls a very high amount from their Wait List.  Other years it's 0.  They have a yield calculation problem---because they are at that spot where--"it's a great school, but there are many other top schools most would rather attend, and many don't want to end up in Cleveland".  So they know those who apply who are above the 75% for case stats are 95%+ also applying to several T25-30 schools.  They know many will get accepted at one or more of those schools and many will choose that school over case.  So for them, it's a hard time to calculate who will actually attend.  They do NOT want to have to fill 50% of the freshman class from the waitlist (yet it happens some years).  That is an issue several schools in the 35-50 range have.  [/quote]

If Case Western is so worried about its yield then maybe it should try to get into T25-30.

[b][There is nothing CWRU can do to get into the T25-30. Same goes for other schools in the T51-100. They are what they are.][/b]

It can also clearly tell students that if they have a GPA of 3.8+ and SAT score above 1500 etc. then they don’t need to bother applying.

[b][Kids with those scores who want to attend CWRU should apply ED. If they don't, it's because they're trying to better-deal CWRU. That's perfectly understandable, but it's also perfectly understandable for CWRU, which knows what they're doing, not to offer them admission.][/b]

Not doubt any of those and having students pay the application fee to only reject them thinking they won’t attend is idiotic at best.

[b][If you want to attend and don't want to "waste" your fee then apply ED.][/b]

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Maybe Case Western should clearly say whom they will reject to protect yield so that students can decide whether to apply or not? But they don’t do that, do they? Kids are not trying to better deal CWRU. They are nervous about not ending up anywhere which is why they are paying the fee and applying. No one applies just for fun or to boast. [/quote]

Kids are absolutely trying to better-deal CWRU. It is their backup in case they don't get admitted to the colleges where they really want to go - MIT, CMU, etc. Few science kids really and truly want to be in a third-tier school in Cleveland, lmao.

By your logic every single school should clearly say who they are going to accept or reject just so kids can decide whether or not to apply. Post gpa / class rank / test score cutoffs. The problem (which people who believe yield protection actually happens can never understand) is that no selective college accepts or rejects "purely" on your stats. Therefore clearly saying who they will accept or reject is impossible.[/quote]

CWRU is not a "third tier"---it's 2nd tiered, but in a non-exciting city (unless you are from small town midwest, maybe then it's exciting).  
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It's third tier for STEM.

Top tier - MIT, Caltech, Mudd, CMU, GA Tech
Second tier - Berkeley, Michigan, Purdue, UCLA, etc.
Third tier - CWRU, RIT, RPI, WPI, VT, etc.[/quote]

GA Tech and MUDD are at the same level as MIT Caltech Stanford.  Even CMU is not besides CS.[/quote]

The best programmer at our high school went to CWRU.  He was much stronger than kids majoring in CS that went to HYPSM.[/quote]
One one kid from MCPS magnet went to Case.  All the top kids were to ivy/cmu or Maryland.  [/quote]

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