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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]All this teeth gnashing over an election the Republicans won by 1% of the popular vote.  Every election there’s massive drama about how the losing party will be in the Wilderness for a generation.  And a few years later the tables turn.  Dems just have to wait for the next recession and then pounce.[/quote]

I think it's a lot more serious than that. 15 million 2020 voters didn't even show up in 2024 - that's a problem. Democrats suffered catastrophic declines among Latinos, Black men, and young people. Harris lost all seven battleground states. Even reliably blue states like Virginia and New Jersey were surprisingly close. And with Vance presumably leading the Republican ticket next election, I see no path for Democrats to win the midwest. Frankly, I don't think Democrats are viable as a national party anymore. Without Trump, Democrats are nothing but some empty slogans and pathetic identity politics. It will only get worse for Democrats once Trump is gone.   [/quote]
You could have written the same paragraphs in 1984 or 2016.  [/quote]

+1. And the current difference in Democratic votes is 7 million compared to 2020, which is a definite difference but we know 2020 had more availability of voting by mail. 
Unfortunately the incoming administration has turned elections into a reality TV show, so Democrats might actually need to run someone with celebrity appeal.[/quote]

Trump won by a collective 250,000 votes or so across Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Watch what happens when the Democrats do nothing aside from running a male as their candidate and putting the Republicans on defense for the poor economic record they're going to leave. This isn't going to be complicated.[/quote]

People assuming that Harris was the problem are wrong. Democrats could have run Jesus Christ and He still would have lost. Democrats lost the plot with issues, from illegal immigration to crime to DEI and gender pronouns and all the other progressive garbage. If Republicans had run a sane candidate, even New Jersey, Virginia, New Hampshire, and Minnesota would have comfortably gone red. Possibly even New York. A white man isn't saving the day for Democrats. Until Democrats start looking at the world through working and middle class eyes, they are going to continue to lose. Millions of illegal migrants don't help the working or middle class. Letting violent criminals go free doesn't help the working and middle class. Bad schools with out of control students doesn't help the working and middle class. And on and on. Democrats are wrong on every issue that matters to most Americans. That's why they lost to a moron.[/quote]

Trying to isolate outcomes or presidential elections from the personalities that contest them is a fool’s errand.

Kamala didn’t run a bad campaign (although it wasn’t great either - going AWOL after the debate was really dumb) but she was severely handicapped by baggage that alienated her with both progressives and moderates and her lack of charisma.

With a normal runway, a candidate with less baggage and more charisma (not Walz, who proved to be a one trick pony) probably would have won. And the polls leading in to the election generally bore that out.

Likewise, it’s not clear whether the likes of Nikki Haley, Marco Rubio, or Ron DeSantis would have prevailed. Trump is a literal cult of personality and has an almost inexplicable appeal to a large segment of the electorate. There is no guarantee those other candidates would have won working class voters as he did.[/quote]

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