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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cal gets overlooked on DCUM a lot. People here seem to equate it to Michigan. On the West Coast reputation wise and in the engineering recruiting world, it is right up there with Stanford. If you are looking for a private school that has a great tech reputation but isn't quite at the top ranking wise, take a good look a CMU. Big tech loves CMU. I frequently hear it mentioned alongside MIT and Caltech.[/quote] cal undergrad is in no way shape or form “right up there with stanford” it has a horrible rep as berzerkeley. low yield at 44% vs stanford at 82% despite cheaper instate discount. test blind, unsafe campus, overcrowded, and poor quality of education. no one is making that mistake.[/quote] I am glad DC made the mistake and I never read about Berkeley on these boards when he applied. He is a math major who got a return internship offer at a top firm next year making $85k for 12 weeks next summer. Berkeley is a much bigger school and obviously cannot compete with Stanford in terms of resources. However, my DC has had excellent math profs, research opportunities and the peer group is excellent. It is for a stufent that can seek opportunities. If you strip out ED from many ivies (except HYPMS) - the yield will not be better that high. [/quote] Exactly. The haters keep yelling resources, resources, resources without explaining how that’s actually applied to their education. Smaller class sizes? Explain to me how 15 kids from Philips Exeter talking about poverty in America, and who’s only experience of hardship is being dropped two blocks away from school coz daddy’s late for his executive conference, is better education than 25-30 diverse students in a Berkeley class room led by a professor in the cutting edge of his/her field. [b]That’s why US News did away with this silly class size metric. If they bring it back, they should do it responsibly. [/b]Smaller doesn’t necessarily mean better. In fact, it can actually stunt learning. [/quote] USNWR made a conscious effort to emphasize "mobility" (e.g. Pell eligible) and metrics like class size were standing in the way of having some large publics with sizeable Pell populations rise. USNWR did away with class size, student faculty ratio, and metrics like alumni giving percentage to benefit the large Pell schools. But you can certainly argue that a Pell-eligible student, just like any other student, could benefit from smaller classes, better ratios, and more engaged alumni, so why drop them. Wouldn't it have been better for USNWR to have two lists? [/quote]
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