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"his and his family’s success is a result of his wife’s focus on being a wife and mother, claiming that “her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

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He can focus on a crazy demanding career because she takes care of home and family so yes, his wife is a partner in his success. Imagine how difficult his life would be managing home, babies and a demanding career involving practice, travel, promotions, interviews etc and trying to set up investments for post NFL life?

Her vocation life started means before that she was a young student and then took over responsibility to build and manage a household and raise kids with her husband.

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So, basically, he's saying

[b]To men: make sure your wife is  a sahm so you can focus on your career and be a real man[/b]
To women: make sure you take care of the kids and house so your husband can focus on his career.

If both the man and woman want that kind of marriage, then who are we to say otherwise.  But, it does seem a bit tone deaf to be saying that at a graduation of college students, many of whom are women, including the professors and admins who are sitting on the stage.[/quote]

That’s is literally the exact opposite of what he said to the men and you’d know that if you read/listened to the whole speech. His message to men was that their focus must be on their vocation as a husband/father. He basically says everything else is secondary to that. 
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Look, if the patriarchy was so great for women we wouldn't have fought so hard against it. So spare me the talk about men and their vocations as husbands and fathers. It's just an excuse to subjugate women in the vast majority of cases.[/quote]

DP.  Sure, let's just continue idolizing men who abandon their families and father child after child with different women (or women who do the same).  Such great role models.  You do you, but I absolutely agree with Butker's assertion that the highest vocation for both men AND women is marriage and parenthood (for those who want a family).  That doesn't mean there aren't other vocations, such as careers obviously - just that the *highest* and most crucial to a thriving civilization is raising children within a family structure.  Not sure how you can argue with that, but I'm sure you will.[/quote]

Nice strawman.[/quote]

Ah, I see you can't make a serious rebuttal, so you resort to deflection.  There is no strawman.  You disagree with him and you can't stand it that others do not.  *shrug*[/quote]

*sigh* - the strawman is the premise that the only choices for men are to be philandering scumbags like our former President, idolized by the GOP, and conservative Christian men who idolize a wife who forgoes all professional ambition to serve their husbands and families, also, coincidentally, idolized by the GOP. The reality, as we all know, is that there is a broad spectrum of male behavior and there are many ways to be a good husband that don't involve buying into patriarchy and misogyny.[/quote]

I think we've found the strawman... "the GOP" doesn't idolize TFG.  A small minority of far-right Trump supporters do.  The rest of the GOP would dearly love to have a different candidate.  [/quote]

Well why didn’t you come out in force to elect a different candidate then? Trump has received the majority of votes in the GOP primaries. Contradicts what you assert. [/quote]

True - but funny how you ignore that the vast majority of Democrats don't want Biden to run again either.  Yet, he is running again.

https://apnews.com/article/ap-norc-poll-biden-2024-presidential-prospects-c843c5af6775b4c8a0cff8e2b1db03f6[/quote]

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