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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If they want to drop the missing middle rezoning proposal and just do this one maybe that is a reasonable compromise, but upzoning everything is a bad idea. Vision zero is idiotic and unrealistic though. The goal of reducing traffic fatalities attainable, but we need to balance operational concerns with safety improvements. The only way to achieve basically zero traffic deaths would be to reduce speed limit to 15 mph everywhere. Ridiculous policy goals like vision zero will harm society more than it helps. [/quote]

How many deaths do you think it's worth for you to get somewhere 5 minutes faster in your car? How about 10 minutes faster in your car? Also, is it ok for people in your family to be killed or seriously injured in a car crash, or should car crash deaths and serious injuries be limited to people in other people's families?[/quote]

This is a childish argument.  Society needs to move and we try to keep people safe.  To keep EVERYONE safe, we can't use cars and trucks... or bikes... or even horses.  [b]Society can't control people who cross the street wearing black at night.  Society can't control everyone who drinks and drives.  Society can't stop every idiot who speeds, etc.[/b]  So, yes... in a society with many people and many making bad decisions, people are going to die in accidents.[/quote]

Society can use street lighting. Society can use ignition interlocks. Society can use speed governors. [/quote]

Umm… everything has a cost, including bad decisions.  You are being ridiculous.  [/quote]

The issue here obviously isn't that Vision Zero is unattainable. It's that you're not interested in attaining it. You're fine with people being killed in car crashes. Well, everyone gets to have their own opinions, and that includes you.[/quote]

Zero is obviously unattainable.  But the more sophisticated question is what are the details on the 40 deaths, plus those prior years.  You can't address a problem, assuming there is one, without more details here.  If only a few happened at red lights, then red lights are not the issue.   [/quote]
Why don’t you apply this same interest and diligence towards achieving zero homicides in the county. That will have a much bigger impact, particularly for equity and justice. [/quote]

One white guy on a bike getting killed gets more attention than 100 black guys getting murdered[/quote]

+1. Imagine if all of these resources were spent hiring more police officers and taking other measures to reduce crime against black people. Instead, Elrich recently said that crime in DTSS is not a problem. It's pretty shocking that we're obsessed with slowing down traffic, when there's a huge, glaring crime issue that is much more concerning.[/quote]

Which "white guy on a bike getting killed" are you talking about, specifically?

But hey, if you want crime to be your issue, nobody's stopping you. Certainly not the people who think streets should be safer. Go out and advocate for your priorities, instead of complaining that other people aren't doing the work for you.[/quote]

A city spends exponentially more time, energy, money trying to prevent a teensy tiny number of white deaths vs. a far larger and more preventable number of black deaths? Normally we just call that racism (not, as you do, suggest that black people are just being lazy). [/quote]

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