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I'll bite. I'm opposed to climate fear mongering because I'm concerned that it will, at a very minimum, make the US a poorer, more dangerous nation. So I'm not opposed to it because I hate the earth, or because I don't think we should make reasonable efforts to protect the environment. My concern is that I think climate change activists are proposing solutions that are doomed, and when you pursue doomed efforts in lieu of realistic ones, you end up further behind. Look at Germany. It undertook the world's most ambitious climate agenda, and like 15 years later, they are actually *dirtier* than when they began.

The reason is, the let's solution lies on a false premise that "clean" technology can be scaled up to replace the existing fleet of carbon based utilities. This was always doomed, because while you can convince humans to go along with quixotic ventures, you do not have the power to bend physics to your will. If we could scale up green energy fast enough to replace the existing utilities, you'd see much more progress than we have now. But we haven't overcome issues related to storage and the baseload.  This is probably why the left embraced nuclear after decades of protesting it-- it is carbon neutral and the only way to that current technology would allow us to meet those energy goals.

But even so, who is building reactors? Very few companies. They are waiting to see if DOE will give subsidies. But the DOE is coming off a 2 decades long streak of pretending we can sustain our nation's energy needs with wind and water and pixie dust. It takes time to get everyone on the same page and move forward. Time. Time we lost when everyone embraced climate ideology as a new religion, rather than correctly looking at it as a theory about a problem and a theory about a solution that didn't actually exist (green energy).

You may recall that part of the theory was that we could reduce energy needs. Everyone needed to do laundry and run the dishwasher at 2am (I still do this), and if we all just change our habits, we will change our needs. Remember that? No one talks about it anymore because, as tends to happen, circumstances changed. AI was born.

Now, we need more energy. Like a crapton more energy.  We need double what we have. And yet, the left is clamoring to shutter natural gas. Nuke plants have closed across the US. We have planned for a *decline* when we require a massive increase due to the demands of AI. Sure, we can just not do it. But India will, China will, etc. And then what will US citizens have to show for it? The climate will not be improved, but, we will be significantly poorer and more vulnerable.

If you want to think that people like me are just too dumb to understand climate change, too controlled by Tucker Carlson, too numbed and obese from non organic food to be able to understand the dire situation we are in. Ok. That's fine. But the future is coming for you too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-US-Needs-To-Double-The-Size-Of-Its-Energy-Grid.amp.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-ai-boom-could-use-a-shocking-amount-of-electricity/[/quote]

DP.  I partially agree with this.  However, green energy has recently really scaled up.  Is it at maximum now? Possible but unlikely.

But ultimately, we all know that our current lifestyle is just unsustainable.  We cannot reduce, reuse our way to a sustainable life.  Our children are simply going to have to very different standard of living.  A much reduced standard of living.  Will it be worse?  Or will their lives be better in other ways than ours?

And the time when this change will happen is not when someone wants it to happen - but when it is required by external forces.[/quote]

I think we will have failed future Americans if we plan for worse outcomes. This is especially true because no other nation will do so. They are drastically increasing their energy generation capacity.  So we won't actually improve the climate, AND our posterity will be much worse off. What's the point of that? I genuinely don't understand why we would pursue a path that we know will not be effective, AND will impoverish our nation.  I don't think I'm brainwashed. I think that the climate activists haven't actually made a persuasive case, and that is why they need to use terms like "climate denialism."  Do you know how strange that sounds? Imagine if MAGAs referred to dems as Trump denialists. Since they don't have a way to answer why they are leading people like lemmings off a cliff, they try to use empty moral condemnation against anyone who questions them.  [/quote]

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